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arthur  
#1 Posted : Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:32:58 AM(UTC)
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Hello friends,

As part of preparing for my next, I think it's time to buy a GPS.

Must indicate that used GPS manual since the Army (unlocked doesn't count) and I guess the advanced devices ever since.

I wanted to ask you what do you think I should search in GPS. I want to make some sort of list of properties can narrow choices.

I was starting to do some sort of market research and I think I finally go for one of the following models of GARMIN.

ETrex 30 is very easy, reliable and relatively powerful battery or one 64 series models that from what I understand they are more accurate, but a little heavier and their weaker battery.

My GPS will use navigation while stormy weather with low visibility and verifies location in an area with problematic topography (planar).  I prefer to navigate by map.

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#2 Posted : Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:36:21 AM(UTC)
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[Quote = arthur; 582592]

Hello friends,

As part of preparing for my next, I think it's time to buy a GPS.

Must indicate that used GPS manual since the Army (unlocked doesn't count) and I guess the advanced devices ever since.

I wanted to ask you what do you think I should search in GPS. I want to make some sort of list of properties can narrow choices.

I was starting to do some sort of market research and I think I finally go for one of the following models of GARMIN.

ETrex 30 is very easy, reliable and relatively powerful battery or one 64 series models that from what I understand they are more accurate, but a little heavier and their weaker battery.

Don't you dare buy the ETREX. It's junk. Thought to regenerate before the GDT and bought it and after trying it once I decided to sell it.

I was able to get almost all the price I bought. Stay away from this device.

arthur  
#3 Posted : Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:36:54 AM(UTC)
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Eyal, you can't throw a bomb here that (most popular garmin's device right now) without explaining what the problem was.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:52:10 AM(UTC)
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[Quote = arthur; 582594], you can't throw a bomb here that (most popular garmin's device right now) without explaining what the problem was.

When something's popularity is an indication of what it is worth? (See example Microsoft products)

I'll give a short list:

The device cuts part of the MEDIA.

The display maps.

Search capability (coordinates, other vegetables) outrageous.

The device simply decided to make Rist himself too much and just start over.

Problems with altimter and compass.

I'm afraid that after I did that I started digging Kenya and read further.

The speed that would deal really worth (some 40 percent off) and I thought and I studied in depth too.

In my opinion this is an instrument of catastrophe. I wasn't counting on the popularity of the device that the overwhelming majority of these device company that set out to multiday on

Bicycles and people who want to travel thousands of miles an hour in rough terrain and isolated like.

I stayed with the ETREX VISTA and HTX. Excellent device.

arthur  
#5 Posted : Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:09:34 PM(UTC)
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In the Internet age and target audience as for bikers and cyclists don't waver swatting a problematic player reviews online. I rely on the popularity of the device.
I mean he's got great reviews online.

Could it be that fell on problematic?
It is precisely this model really liked.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:10:02 PM(UTC)
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What about it?

Http://en.compegps.com/products/gps/twonav-anima

Or a friend with another identical hardware and software

-1305 http://www.sports.holux.com//#!sporttrek/cfvg

imtl  
#7 Posted : Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:14:58 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = arthur; 582596] in the Internet age and target audience as for bikers and cyclists don't waver swatting a problematic player reviews online. I rely on the popularity of the device.
I mean he's got great reviews online.

Could it be that fell on problematic?
It is precisely this model really liked.

I simple search find reviews about the device and some deadly. So I still don't agree. Don't fell on.

The entire device is tricky and dropped to particular hands. There are also things you don't appreciate: Grameen themselves in software and have no way yet to install.

You can search and read. Anyway I hope whatever you decide on a device that will do your work properly.

I know you're a person who walks with maps and know how to navigate and go so c it's just a bonus.

arthur  
#8 Posted : Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:42:37 PM(UTC)
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I also tried to search for reviews of the device's problems and what I found is the problem of calibration of the compass and a problem that the device hangs displaying distance to a fixed point on the map-sticky issue--but both these problems were solved in a software update in 2012.

Continue to explore further.

Can't find so good is buying the model devices (64) because I think they add too much and not worth the money.

Sergei check that quote too.

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#9 Posted : Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:16:46 PM(UTC)
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Hey Arthur
Don't see many GPS just got the DAKOTA 20. based on recommendation of a friend who understands (more my circle physicist) for about purchase-Search eBay a device that is renewed by those actually Grameen devices installers with full manufacturer's warranty, free of defects, they returned to the company, and is not familiar with device twice s.. Best if I'm not mistaken about 35-40% less.
Send me the audio without requiring etc if you want my email, mm search.
ד"א.
Does anyone know where "borrowing" from her vulva.
arthur  
#10 Posted : Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:29:33 PM(UTC)
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Thank you for your recommendation, but I don't want a touchscreen device.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:21:34 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = arthur; 582592]

I wanted to ask you what do you think I should search in GPS. I want to make some sort of list of properties can narrow choices.

My GPS will use navigation while stormy weather with low visibility and verifies location in an area with problematic topography (planar).  I prefer to navigate by map.

אמנון לנגי  
#12 Posted : Thursday, November 20, 2014 4:03:35 PM(UTC)
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Since I use eTrX30 for the last four years, I can testify that the device away from junk definition but also many problems is not an innocent.
I'll give you the list of good and bad things and you decide for yourself.

Good list
===========
1) small device.
2) very accurate device. Deviation of up to 2 meters. Check.
3) device running a week straight on a pair of AA lithium batteries. Days on a pair of alkaline batteries.
4) you can buy it with the discounts of up to 50%.
5) is very tough. In particularly strong is turning off itself.
6) waterproof (rain conditions prolonged Office).

Bad list
==========
1) map view. Displays cell small and not high quality.
2) in full sunlight hardly see the display even when aiming for maximum contrast
3) his altimter joke. Making huge errors without batting an eye. The height is able to show you that you are overdrawn or plus 50 even after calibration.
4.) does the f is no truth just the ups and downs he documents during the track. Just great anomalies. 800 m can appear as 1400 m
5) very difficult to handle the navigation button. He's very savvy user friendly. It takes a while until you get used to the press. It initially.
GPX files) are large (over 1000) tend to stop fucking around and load. Also large file loading time takes several minutes.
7) emergency problems of places of interest what makes it very difficult to find a point of interest specifically for display on a map.
8) the device shows a view toward progress, but only while males. Each display stop freezing. It's a terrible fuck because if you want to see the right and left, not enough to turn towards. It is the biggest drawback of the device. Apparently small parties or movements instead of round do not count to change coordinates so the display freezes. It really bothers me that little space and if I'm in the map vantage point and want to learn the space I have to walk like a retard all Greece where I want to see the map. When I'm stuck on the situation.

I got it as a gift to the 50th anniversary, and he accompanied me everywhere in the world. I learned to get along with and we're a pretty good relationship.
For me, the biggest advantage is that the enormous range of lithium batteries. With 4 batteries can do all the GR11 (provided that the Maccabees long breaks)

Edited by user Thursday, November 20, 2014 7:02:51 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

imtl  
#13 Posted : Thursday, November 20, 2014 4:27:47 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = Amnon Paulose; 582603]

Since I use eTrX30 for the last four years, I can testify that the device away from junk definition but also many problems is not an innocent.
I'll give you the list of good and bad things and you decide for yourself.

Good list
===========
1) small device.
2) very accurate device. Deviation of up to 2 meters. Check.
3) device running a week straight on a pair of AA lithium batteries. Days on a pair of alkaline batteries.
4) you can buy it with the discounts of up to 50%.
5) is very tough. In particularly strong is turning off itself.
6) waterproof (rain conditions prolonged Office).

Bad list
==========
1) map view. Displays cell small and not high quality.
2) in full sunlight hardly see the display even when aiming for maximum contrast
3) his altimter joke. Making huge errors without batting an eye. The height is able to show you that you are overdrawn or plus 50 even after calibration.
4.) does the f is no truth just the ups and downs he documents during the track. Just great anomalies. 800 m can appear as 1400 m
5) very difficult to handle the navigation button. He's very savvy user friendly. It takes a while until you get used to the press. It initially.
GPX files) are large (over 1000) tend to stop fucking around and load. Also large file loading time takes several minutes.
7) emergency problems of places of interest what makes it very difficult to find a point of interest specifically for display on a map.
8) the device shows a view toward progress, but only while males. Each display stop freezing. It's a terrible fuck because if you want to see the right and left, not enough to turn towards. It is the biggest drawback of the device. Apparently small parties or movements instead of round do not count to change coordinates so the display freezes. It really bothers me that little space and if I'm in the map vantage point and want to learn the space I have to walk like a retard all Greece where I want to see the map. When I'm stuck on the situation.

I got it as a gift to the 50th anniversary, and he accompanied me everywhere in the world. I learned to get along with and we're a pretty good relationship.
For me, the biggest advantage is that the enormous range of lithium batteries. With 4 batteries can do all the GR11 (provided that the Maccabees long breaks)

Just mention that my old model (VISTA HCX) has a range of excellent batteries operation the same way. If that's the only thing really worth, so there's another device. Compared to all the disadvantages.

Edited by moderator Thursday, November 20, 2014 7:06:22 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

stardust  
#14 Posted : Thursday, November 20, 2014 9:26:38 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = imtl; 582604]

[Quote = Amnon Paulose; 582603]

Since I use eTrX30 for the last four years, I can testify that the device away from junk definition but also many problems is not an innocent.
I'll give you the list of good and bad things and you decide for yourself.

Good list
===========
1) small device.
2) very accurate device. Deviation of up to 2 meters. Check.
3) device running a week straight on a pair of AA lithium batteries. Days on a pair of alkaline batteries.
4) you can buy it with the discounts of up to 50%.
5) is very tough. In particularly strong is turning off itself.
6) waterproof (rain conditions prolonged Office).

Bad list
==========
1) map view. Displays cell small and not high quality.
2) in full sunlight hardly see the display even when aiming for maximum contrast
3) his altimter joke. Making huge errors without batting an eye. The height is able to show you that you are overdrawn or plus 50 even after calibration.
4.) does the f is no truth just the ups and downs he documents during the track. Just great anomalies. 800 m can appear as 1400 m
5) very difficult to handle the navigation button. He's very savvy user friendly. It takes a while until you get used to the press. It initially.
GPX files) are large (over 1000) tend to stop fucking around and load. Also large file loading time takes several minutes.
7) emergency problems of places of interest what makes it very difficult to find a point of interest specifically for display on a map.
8) the device shows a view toward progress, but only while males. Each display stop freezing. It's a terrible fuck because if you want to see the right and left, not enough to turn towards. It is the biggest drawback of the device. Apparently small parties or movements instead of round do not count to change coordinates so the display freezes. It really bothers me that little space and if I'm in the map vantage point and want to learn the space I have to walk like a retard all Greece where I want to see the map. When I'm stuck on the situation.

I got it as a gift to the 50th anniversary, and he accompanied me everywhere in the world. I learned to get along with and we're a pretty good relationship.
For me, the biggest advantage is that the enormous range of lithium batteries. With 4 batteries can do all the GR11 (provided that the Maccabees long breaks)

Just mention that my old model (VISTA HCX) has a range of excellent batteries operation the same way. If that's the only thing really worth, so there's another device. Compared to all the disadvantages.

Hello, tilapia

What you wrote about the accuracy of your machine a bit surprising. I have the OREGON 300 and its variance can reach up to 7-8 m and more.

This is the number of comparisons across periods. Also in other models of Garmin hatnseti with a similar situation.

Are you talking about Israel?

I hope you're not relying on the accuracy of the device itself.

However, the variance of the altimter my device comes to a few meters (again checking against known points).

Another question: when you talk about battery life, what kind of activity?

Is there any way to compare the settings on both devices?

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#15 Posted : Thursday, November 20, 2014 10:29:55 PM(UTC)
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The accuracy of GPS + Glonass integration concept. Working on only the GPS accuracy is +-10 metres
I don't know if the Oregon 300 has the option to work with the Russian satellite system.
Here I have to say is not always good reception of satellites simultaneously so that the quality and response speed varies
When I say it's two meters precision is not a scientific statement.
When I go on a marked topographic map of Grameen (e.g. Israel, Bill or check maps Topo of Switzerland)
And I Max magnification of the map so that each cm = 3 m area map so small deviations are noisier than 3 meters.
It allows me to walk long stretches from Israel in the desert at night during the summer for training.

About battery life so it really depends on how dealing with the device. If you constantly increase and decrease maps or running long lighting
So battery life is minimized. When I talk about battery life I mean the standard task as most time-saving device ".

What do you mean by: "is there any way to compare the settings on both devices?"

stardust  
#16 Posted : Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:21:49 PM(UTC)
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I understand the concept Glonass satellite system related. If so, my device doesn't work with this system.

About the device settings, you didn't answer me if your device is set to inherit the new Israel.

Garmin's devices are set up different networks for different countries, but not for the network.

The new Israel need to manually Setup menu > Format > User Grid Position

Settings:

Longitute = E 035.12.725
Scale = 1.0000000
False east = 220251.0
False north = 114750.0

User menu settings Which appear:


DX =-235.0
Dy =-85.0
DZ = 264.0
Da =-163.0
Df =-0.54739085

I wonder what it's like.

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#17 Posted : Friday, November 21, 2014 1:02:11 AM(UTC)
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I don't know about the settings of the new Israel.
The machine was purchased in conjunction with Israel's tofu.
He may have set for this network correctly.
I, however, didn't notice for any anomaly.
BTW, I don't recommend the tofu map of Israel from Grameen.
There are lots of errors in the positioning of springs and waterfalls.
But the trails marked her and especially Israel National Trail (as of 2010).
arthur  
#18 Posted : Friday, November 21, 2014 6:19:57 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = Amnon Paulose; 582603]

Since I use eTrX30 for the last four years, I can testify that the device away from junk definition but also many problems is not an innocent.
I'll give you the list of good and bad things and you decide for yourself.

Good list
===========
1) small device.
2) very accurate device. Deviation of up to 2 meters. Check.
3) device running a week straight on a pair of AA lithium batteries. Days on a pair of alkaline batteries.
4) you can buy it with the discounts of up to 50%.
5) is very tough. In particularly strong is turning off itself.
6) waterproof (rain conditions prolonged Office).

Bad list
==========
1) map view. Displays cell small and not high quality.
2) in full sunlight hardly see the display even when aiming for maximum contrast
3) his altimter joke. Making huge errors without batting an eye. The height is able to show you that you are overdrawn or plus 50 even after calibration.
4.) does the f is no truth just the ups and downs he documents during the track. Just great anomalies. 800 m can appear as 1400 m
5) very difficult to handle the navigation button. He's very savvy user friendly. It takes a while until you get used to the press. It initially.
GPX files) are large (over 1000) tend to stop fucking around and load. Also large file loading time takes several minutes.
7) emergency problems of places of interest what makes it very difficult to find a point of interest specifically for display on a map.
8) the device shows a view toward progress, but only while males. Each display stop freezing. It's a terrible fuck because if you want to see the right and left, not enough to turn towards. It is the biggest drawback of the device. Apparently small parties or movements instead of round do not count to change coordinates so the display freezes. It really bothers me that little space and if I'm in the map vantage point and want to learn the space I have to walk like a retard all Greece where I want to see the map. When I'm stuck on the situation.

I got it as a gift to the 50th anniversary, and he accompanied me everywhere in the world. I learned to get along with and we're a pretty good relationship.
For me, the biggest advantage is that the enormous range of lithium batteries. With 4 batteries can do all the GR11 (provided that the Maccabees long breaks)

Hello Amnon, first of all thanks for taking the time to help me.

I must respond to what you said, familiarity with GPS devices, again mention that I didn't touch on life-none of the ETREX models.

1 you said poor screen display and small screen. Unfortunately I haven't seen any GPS that amaze me with its high resolution and large screen. While there are newer garmin devices with a touchscreen Smartphone but more resemble their credibility in terms of source in question throughout the network. A very expensive model of garmin and is considered very professional (for shouaa) the 64ST that costs about $ 500! It has 2.6 inch screen and so eitreks 2.2 greatly the size of the screen will not be substantially greater. Screen type-TFT left sixty five thousand colors.

2 I'm surprised to hear you say that the screen is readable in sunlight, they actually boast that their radar should be very clear in terms of light.

Too bad it's so good to know.

3. surprise about the altimter-even after calibrating you had large errors? A serious company like garmin, it's really surprising and annoying.

5. navigation button problem-good to know This I can handle a Greece that I wasn't going to use it for a long time.

6. What does tend to rough out there? Say I find somewhere GPS points of the King in Sweden (for example) and enter it for what might happen?

7. I did not understand what you mean.

8. I did not understand what you mean, why is the go somewhere (or in the same direction as you said) can see what is in there? Not enough to scroll the screen one of the sides? GPS should not be locked for your location and you can roll the screen into one direction — unless you set it yourself.

Edited by user Friday, November 21, 2014 6:40:57 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#19 Posted : Friday, November 21, 2014 7:39:25 PM(UTC)
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Friends, do me a favor and try to use the quote option.
Arthur obviously comment that begins with "Amnon" refers to a message. No need to get all the quote.
And themselves.
1. the screen display. This compared to smartpons's video views and navigation devices. The eTrex is my first navigation, so I have nothing to compare it to.
2. the screen is readable in direct sunlight. There is no intention that is unreadable on a day of blue sky. If you are on lunch and Sun overwhelms him directly, you can barely see the view.
3. this situation in my altimter. I believe this point my problem rather than a property of the entire series. I didn't bother to check with the company.
6. tend to rough out there, it means that the file is fucked while recharging and becomes unreadable for the device. You can upload GPX file with all the information and get it comments and recommendations. Then one suddenly crush machine hangs while loading GPX file and restart you discover that the devastated and no spots appear on the map. It is very uncomfortable. The Lycian way walk, I slipped the GPX file of all the sections of the daily walk (about 1500 points in each file). Already on the second day we fucked and file navigation map. The story repeated again below 13-14 days. Although I had a backup of the files on a flash drive but I didn't have a computer to connect to the device (Bluetooth connectivity has been very helpful to new devices).
7. navigation points you can upload GPS files of others and you can build them yourself with Grameen's software. Eventually, you want to have quick access to any waypoint. Suppose you have a point Hotel Mumu and I want to know about my space. So I need to have rapid access to the coordinates to choose Hotel Mumu. Think I've got a 2000 points and standard Hotel room is the point 1250 Mumu. Do you think it makes sense to scroll through the whole list to the point that you want? Of course not and therefore have the possibility to search and sort by various parameters. All this has on the device but the sorting and searching by name is very cumbersome. Sorting sucks it says the results do not appear in the order. Suppose C precedes A great arrangement by name. In short, a mess.
8. don't make any sense to you if you stand there and turning the appliance in different directions, it should align the display according to the direction in which the device? Why has sophisticated internal compass? I can scroll the screen manually, but I have to do with the central navigation button that follows is very unfriendly. Scrolling takes a long time and really annoying. A device so sophisticated you'd update the view in the direction that is. In doing this only if you are moving at least 10 metres in the direction that you want to update the display. If you are going somewhere, frozen display.
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#20 Posted : Saturday, November 22, 2014 2:32:15 PM(UTC)
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In my opinion, are the days of dedicated GPS.

I've been using GPS technology for over 20 years and have had three generations of garmin devices.
But today, there is virtually no dedicated device on advantage unlocked.

The problem can be solved with battery rzrovit battery or two.
The problem can be solved with resistant protective pouch.
Even in direct sunlight, which was formerly dedicated to advantage, no longer relevant with the new generations in unlocked.

However there are a huge variety of Smartphone maps (even off-line), larger display high resolution, updated maps and download tracks in real-time, track friends and family to follow you, upload a recording studio with your trip convenient user interfaces, good response time, reduced weight and money, etc.
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