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hikert  
#1 Posted : Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:45:16 PM(UTC)
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Hey everyone,

I would like to raise a discussion about clothing for winter weather/season and/or unpredictable. The goal is to increase your experience better than that experiences and advice about appropriate clothing depending on itinerary and season. Just my personal dilemma is another layer (base layer) of little water resistant coat like it, compared to the relatively easy soptchl/ardshl such that. Ditto for shorts. In my experience, soptchl, waterproof pants sometimes creates only the cases of damage and permeating into clothing or shoes the border area.

The relevant entry per trip in various regions, mainly Alpine. areas, but also to lower areas in the off-season.

Me personally have base layer and make good and above that is not waterproof.

I'd love to hear your opinion.

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#2 Posted : Sunday, November 30, 2014 9:00:18 AM(UTC)
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In my experience, meager and treat here for hiking, provided major hot-up to alpine conditions underground-all this rain conditions, and of course, sometimes the impossible conditions of "how much money can I release.
As you said, base layer, which is divided into a coarse synthetic fabrics, or Merino Wool or fabric that is a combination of both that, rank preferred insulation.
The deliberations are usually about a layer (or layers) and the outer layer.
The conventional middle layer is supposed to protect. The body, which called in the language of the people "to heat the outer layer (" thundering) should protect the lower layers of water and wind.
At the time invented soptchl jackets, a.as each two layers, that is, keep the Temps, and isolated from wind and water works which set out above is (a very pretty), some "heat", and some, especially pretty.
That brings us back to the traditional approach of intermediate layer that can be either down or type of brass or a combination of both an m.
The top layer is that it can be "tricky Vicky just rubber or polyester (whether in the form of a jacket and trousers, or a poncho) it waterproof but breathing" walk "in case of a suit or just cumbersome in case of poncho.
We have jackets (or entire suits) that are partially structured or from "imbrna fabrics" (the word imbrna in Hebrew), it could be the good old disease, or the "new eVent" than prices range between:-the sale of kidneys.


Thus, the outer layer options are as follows:
Soptchl-fine as long as you use the foot Bar Mitzvahs, weddings, alliances and mutual in short-shit.


Storm-suit cheap, but consider that shortly balicha sweat like a horse.
Inexpensive, lightweight poncho weight, Qurei, a wind-wind surfboard. nirtvot feet, so if you have boots Gore-Tex, take you three days to the dryer. (You can use ב"גייטרס")
Breathing-suits very well, but the classic rule applies: not all lied but always good is expensive!
This is, I hope I wasn't wrong and wrong, if someone will correct me.

As for the coat of MH being uploaded, but the weight of anything, think he posted the coats nylon/polyester non-breathing, so paying about $ 100 for weight savings of about 100 lives. It seems to me excessive. According to this account, one can remove kilograms of your case, you must pay about $ 1000 (excluding import costs) I'm pretty sure there are other grams you can remove back costs reasonable.

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#3 Posted : Sunday, November 30, 2014 10:58:28 AM(UTC)
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I have the Ghost Whisperer light Anorak (62 g, I think), and went with him in the first third of the PCT, to Kennedy Meadows. The assumption was that there will be many days of rain in the desert in Southern California, so I just have something light "case." The discount worked. I think I wore it very few times, and six rainy little ghosts. He was likely. You are welcome to come and feel and see it if you want. The pieces, which also have thunderstorms and rain, I went with the Marmot Precip.
In Israel, I was taking my bag the Precip anywhere during the winter, because it is so easy and convenient. Now I'm with Ghost Whisperer Anorak in place-six, and the short rains there, especially to speed city sorties into my car, he would do the trick.

Besides, I was wearing on the trail almost exclusively my walking clothes, even the coldest days. There were maybe 2-3 mornings that I go with my isolated jacket (MH Water), but it took some 20 minutes later. And rain I went with the Marmot Precip. The thermal layer put only in the evenings and bedtime, and while walking (again, maybe just a couple mornings especially cold, then sorry.)

Take rain pants, although hatlbtti. Ultimately, the PCT had many rainy days, so it doesn't really bother me. In rainy area (the AT, for example), maybe you should also.
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#4 Posted : Sunday, November 30, 2014 12:11:36 PM(UTC)
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The number of points you want to refer to. First, an intermediate layer in front of top layer. Blogs and posts on 3D models and four layer not to find. You can e.g. read it here or here. An important point that went by she On while hot. Of course this is relative, but in my experience, once you went 10-20 minutes: 1 you, 2 you are starting to sweat. Here the question of do I need intermediate layer or not. In the case of above, the relatively simple matter. Once it's hot, and fold the bag. In the case of tights, top Conference, it's uncomfortable. Therefore, I believe that once you have a base layer and well, mostly walking thing solved. It got into trouble when rain begins. In my experience autumn in Norway with soptchl (jacket + pants), indeed water didn't penetrate at first, but then accumulated in certain areas of the body mentioned in the first post. In addition, constipation, and the sweat froze me, and there was no escape from continuing to go to warm up. So, I traveled from cabin to cabin, so you always had shelter and a place to dry, but not the case always. The point that On shared about his coat can be a quick and easy solution to relatively stable weather. I don't know if it's enough for relatively wet areas like Scandinavia or Alpine regions in Europe. My experience sufficiently soptchl not always (and sometimes harmful), and there is no doubt that such language should take a little more weight to invest in something a little less durable. About Gore-Tex technology have a lot to say about its efficiency, but in short, rainy conditions, it doesn't really make a difference. Regarding the Conference, as itskirts have, but I'm not sure how its effectiveness. About the top, in rainy weather, worth investing in to keep the sweat and body heat from escaping (such as another layer of Marino, or brass, or trophy) and optionally add a watertight layer (not soptchl) to wear only in extreme cases.

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#5 Posted : Sunday, November 30, 2014 12:37:59 PM(UTC)
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The classic method is the best.


Pants:

1. Marino BICE to crash and hang out and even in the city (it looks like tights)
2. ordinary Conference evaporates and dries quickly.
3. drizzle pants.

Each of these can wear together and separately in each ipshrit combination.
I've got Marino of RAB's pants and ARCTERYX evaporates rortecs Conference.

The last item I'd trade this day:
Http://www.backcountry.com/montane. minimus-pant-mens

Gators got MBD also Gators DIRTY GIRL and internal EVENT.


About the layers of the body:

1. a MARMOT's funkier head band-Israel with drying almost instantly.
2. base of Marino I dated it and put it under your shirt if it's cold.
3. easy warm fleece of MOUNTAIN HARDWEAR
4. wind jacket MARMOT
5. layer heats-ARCTERYX coat
6. thin-layer Gore-Tex.

Very cold temperatures the item 5 is replaced by coat.
When I view temperatures-taking the original list.
Medium-leaves the item 4 at home.
Plus-sized leaves 5 item (but takes 4)
Summer temperatures-shier at 3, 5

So on.


I made the mistake with not enough protection for rain in Crete and I am not going to repeat it ever:-)

About soptchl-Salesiana unnecessary invention. I got this jacket and pants. I drape coat in winter and only Conference USA's winter (snow and minus 20 in)

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#6 Posted : Sunday, November 30, 2014 1:53:39 PM(UTC)
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The most important thing I forgot to mention I always end up nirtavim.
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#7 Posted : Monday, December 1, 2014 1:27:13 AM(UTC)
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Many good things have been said here.

I must add a word of soptchl. It says here it doesn't work and that "the shit" Klum said.
I think the problem lies not in soptchl but it became very popular and people began to use it.
The soptchl is a clothing item originally invented for mountaineering. Destiny in which he excels. Although here the opinions are divided (as always)

The soptchl "ardekor" comes without brass present, only the opaque cover and breathing (compared to 100% nylon ardshl) and provides for ice climbing, mixed or in extreme conditions. Material waterproof enough institutions not to get wet from snow and ice, more opaque, ahardshl sucks (I always have a lift) and much more ahardshl sterch so as not to limit the range of motion.

If the guy is good here, I'm using in tours:

1. synthetic base layer. Not because he's very itchy, Merino.
2. above 3. The startairing.

I don't use in the wind breathes, if I feel the wind strong enough to bother me and I can control the ardshl of the base layer and open the vents in the armpit.
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#8 Posted : Monday, December 1, 2014 1:47:23 AM(UTC)
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About rain pants, attach two links to help clarify the point mentioned:

Link 1 (Rain pants versus skirt)

Link 2 (A person walking in the same area where I travelled in Scandinavia)

Regarding the above, I think we all agree that in the end you get wet no matter what (if it's raining, or excessive sweat due to layer not breathing), should take trophy partially resistant if it's rainy, a cabin to cabin, and if ardshl on regions with unpredictable weather, strong rains/b. Soptchl/disease/eVent and friends, are beautiful and precious names to think won't help, and indeed more suitable conditions that Arthur noted (and there not sure).

About giiters, I think (unless, of course, those airtight heavy leather shoes) getting wet either way, so again it mainly occupies the terms that Arthur was talking about.

Regarding gloves-layer water resistant enough? Is it better to turn off heat + protective layer such as mittens?

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#9 Posted : Monday, December 1, 2014 7:23:20 AM(UTC)
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I wrote that he "soptchl" crap, and my intention was to use hiking tour in stores (in Israel) are full of soptshlim, shamochrs to push them to hikers, is the argument the ultimate jacket for them, and he didn't!
As for the rest I was between two criteria:
1. good to maintain the means, good to keep body temperature, or to keep a puppy that keeps the body temperature.
2. good that will rock your life or improve athletic performance.
The first criterion is a must not be save, and no shortcuts.
Second, it's a matter of budget and personal preference, etc.
No recipe is perfect to wear one warm Merino Wool, two itches.
Make it great what to do when as wet?
Put brass but it awful?
And so on ...
Maccabi Haifa finally won. Just general knowledge.
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#10 Posted : Monday, December 1, 2014 7:53:46 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the info that teaches and links (my experience is limited to country and passed so unfortunately can't contribute).
I didn't know there are raincoats has vents that can be (I only know animal coats and tiny key holes underarms).
I would like to receive examples and recommendations for such coats, ready to learn under what title search coats in stores and on the Internet.
In addition, there are also rain pants husband vents?
(Many times I open the zips his pants fall apart, to get better ventilation).

Thank you.

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#11 Posted : Monday, December 1, 2014 9:35:52 AM(UTC)
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The marmot precip have got large ioorer openings and his breathing chnel the 20,000 thousand excellent sealing

There are also North pace raincoat called venture has openings

And to compare the raincoats (most don't)

Http://www.outdoorgearlab.com/Rain-Jacket-Reviews

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#12 Posted : Monday, December 1, 2014 10:45:34 AM(UTC)
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It is worth remembering that there are quite a few coats in addition to vents mentioned above, also סקוצ'ים in sleeves, DrawString collapses in the middle of the coat or the bottom and of course zip.
Open and release the f will enable more efficient ventilation. (However difficult conditions remember to close and the developers and the laces to prevent the entry of cold air from the outside and keep warm air next to the body.)
If still sweaty and hot in spite of opening doors etc. should incorporate slowing activity and more frequent breaks allowing eventually total for sequence activity with what "the others cooking the inside."

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#13 Posted : Monday, December 1, 2014 11:40:50 AM(UTC)
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[Quote = hikert; 582730]

Regarding the above, I think we all agree that in the end you get wet

Not all agree, I think that the fate of those who want to save on a raincoat and replaces it with all kinds of nylons.

Got Gore-Tex 3 layers and never nertvati. Even put a camera in my pocket.

And he's breathing.

You can't compare the nylons of all kinds (even if it's MARMOT PERCIP brand) and real Gore-Tex.:-)

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#14 Posted : Monday, December 1, 2014 11:50:35 AM(UTC)
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Here is my coat. Now still in operation. Have had it for 4 years, (actually I bought this to another person.)

It is also one of the lightest Gore-Tex coats (!) and (!) and quality (!).

There are relatively inexpensive shipments abroad

Model 1

Model 2

Model 3

Recommend to select TALL-longer and covers.

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#15 Posted : Monday, December 1, 2014 11:58:24 AM(UTC)
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[Quote = hikert; 582730]

About giiters, I think (unless, of course, those airtight heavy leather shoes) getting wet either way, so again it mainly occupies the terms that Arthur was talking about.

That's to prevent moist shoes

Two things to Gators

1. don't go in the mud, ice and snow shoe in the doorway.

2. maintains lock and clean-pants Metro you take them off and pshot clear, which is far easier than lchavs your pants or clean water.

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#16 Posted : Monday, December 1, 2014 2:04:32 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = go; 582732]

Thanks for the info that teaches and links (my experience is limited to country and passed so unfortunately can't contribute).
I didn't know there are raincoats has vents that can be (I only know animal coats and tiny key holes underarms).
I would like to receive examples and recommendations for such coats, ready to learn under what title search coats in stores and on the Internet.
In addition, there are also rain pants husband vents?
(Many times I open the zips his pants fall apart, to get better ventilation).

Thank you.

As far as I'm concerned, the vents are startairing, in the past few years many of the leading companies moved production of the company's flagship upper-end models with the best materials and highest rates. with gore tex membrane active rather than just pro shell gave up on underarm zippers, claiming that haktiv breathing much better and therefore can give up the vents and to save weight.

I claim no matter how it breathes, it's still a membrane attached to a plastic bag 100%. If I'm going to do exercise I'm going to sweat.

However, no matter which brand you go ardshl their jackets are usually with axillary vents, sometimes the front pockets are a kind of vents.

The title you need to search on the Internet is simply a Hardshell jacket, often vents Underarm vents called friendship.

I don't like to give examples of products that I use, but I think this Forum received here a few examples.

About the operations-ventilation zippers here deals of the legs. There is something intended.

If I feel I need to break open the zippers to the half (top so as not to create a mess at the shoes) and opens the zipper of the store in a minute I'm fine.

Incidentally, the zipper of the store I left completely open all the time. He's not big enough to go out there and kind of waters protected by the coat and it's a place that produces a lot of heat.

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Hikert,
I noticed some were borrowed from the original thread.
You said you want to make a change to your clothing, I have to ask-do you feel a particular problem on your system you have? If so what.
I don't understand all this logic in windbraker layer triideof instead of startairing. Both mountains are designed to respond to other situations.

While thinking about where I could save some weight to the conclusion that the rare own momentum when a cold wind and weather (the same situations and oindbriicr help) can I use ardshl on root layer or even mandpt my shirt and just open the vents while the ardshl nylon opaque.
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#18 Posted : Monday, December 1, 2014 2:53:30 PM(UTC)
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Good to see GORE TEX tmartorot 20.
So you can see how you're carrying ice between the isolated layer and SHELL, which is my case GORE TEX.

So quality coat (which is made from Gore-Tex) not much ice:-)

The Gators are not Gore-Tex half way had to stop to take the ice. The Gators Gore-Tex completely disappeared problem

Ditto for above

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#19 Posted : Monday, December 1, 2014 3:44:24 PM(UTC)
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Arthur. Indeed it seems to me that we are the original discussion. The thing is I had the problem of water-proof clothing by wet anyway (whether externally or internally, if that). The format you have uploaded unacceptable indeed, but the main thing is the weight and vent, at the end of the day they have a trade off. The goal is to raise suggestions for clothing out of experiences of Forum participants walking different paths in the world in rainy weather conditions and variables. In my case, it feels that lacked an extra layer for cases in which the conditions unbearable and need protection from extreme weather conditions. Reverse jacket I have is good to layer and stops, or at the beginning of the walk when the body is cold, but not more time.

Sergei, a few things:

1. Please try to edit the comments (you can do this at any moment). It's kind of hard and interrupted the sequence of discussion.

2. comments regarding giiters and soptchl not contradictory. They refer to Arthur noted where there is ice and mud. Regardless, what you consider easy, soptchl like my backpack, so I guess our standards.

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#20 Posted : Monday, December 1, 2014 4:34:54 PM(UTC)
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Thanks ALE Noam Nahum Arthur me Saturn Sergey-learning from you also. Thanks for the links, recommendations and tips. Checked and come back and check on everyone.

I don't know how my conduct relevant way to track overseas, but I will try to share in case anyone is found by:

Cold-thick thermal shirt (shirt used me to sleep) and shirts breaks the long wind. When warming up a bit, I was left with only mchopthert.

In wind and rain jacket nylon and has perforated ventilation under the arm. If the rain is weakening, I rolled the sleeves, open the zipper, and tuck the edges of the network back from cheer coat bag. So I can respond to changes in rainfall intensity without stopping and without removing the bag.

At least exploring them went so far, I think I'd rather thin rain jacket has multiple openings, allowing maximum freedom and mess up their sleeves in the rain.

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