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arthur  
#21 Posted : Monday, December 1, 2014 4:45:26 PM(UTC)
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Shalom iikert.
I disagree with the statement that ardshl = hyperhidrosis.
Ardshl. with vents in armpits and unzipped a little even if necessary, allow the circulation of air inside the jacket.

About the weight, the weight of the light rdalim is the area 250 grams. It seems to me more legitimate for an article of clothing that provides the water and the spirit.

You said you lacked protective layer in unbearable situations and extreme. Do you really think a light wind jacket will protect you in terms?
If you are looking to travel in extreme conditions, the only thing I trust this sinanti coat of medium thickness and bombproof startairing such models I use in ice climbing.
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#22 Posted : Monday, December 1, 2014 5:17:11 PM(UTC)
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Arthur. Select the words "extreme" and bearable was mistaken, as it is subjective in the eyes of the traveler. I'm talking about conditions are volatile areas, such as skandivia (meet soon) or Alpine areas, where even the season, weather can surprise and you find yourself a full day walking under the rain in otzmothio variable. Regarding hardshl, I'd like to talk to me in private about the recommendations. In addition, I would like to specify how do you cope with covering the lower part of the body and the water leakage problem opaque layers for parts that are not covered in another layer.

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#23 Posted : Monday, December 1, 2014 7:06:59 PM(UTC)
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I looked at ה"קבלה 's website" I quite trust Sergei about quality, but it's really lightweight!
Something like 600-650 Gr. To hardshl-heavy I don't see any need to carry such weight for protection from rain and wind in the way, but this kind of technology Gore-Tex (somewhere from 70) the main difference since the price dropped.
I think the day easier fabrics.
I saw it http://www.zpacks.com/accessories/wpb_jacket.shtml I don't know if it's worth anything, opaque and easy-sure about ventilation-anyone know?
150 grams.

This is the link Http://www.zpacks.com/accessories/wpb_jacket.shtml

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#24 Posted : Monday, December 1, 2014 7:27:00 PM(UTC)
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Right, my coat no longer measure the standards of the day.
That's why I'm looking at this item:
Http://www.campsaver.com/minimus-smock-men? s? utm_source = & avantlink affiliate utm_campaign = utm_medium = & datafeed&c = AvantLink&c 3nid = 3ch 816 avad = & 932_d78613f7

May be I will then sail $ ב99 seriously.
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#25 Posted : Monday, December 1, 2014 7:37:56 PM(UTC)
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Nnalla!
Nirama me that Sha PERTEX fabric of the bag.
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#26 Posted : Monday, December 1, 2014 7:47:40 PM(UTC)
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Another noteworthy issue in the context of various technologies related to old post two years ago, we should all take a look:

Weathering materials

So it's worth noting also, how much time and many products were purchased, because each technology has expired, then the question of cost price compared to a time-limited product. Check before purchasing the products.

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#27 Posted : Monday, December 1, 2014 8:13:32 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = hikert; 582717]

I would like to raise a discussion about clothing for winter weather/season and/or unpredictable. The goal is to increase your experience better than that experiences and advice about appropriate clothing depending on itinerary and season.

All I can add to what has already been said here is just the latest in btiol Nepal when it dropped two feet of snow in a day and a half and get cold (around 10 in the morning), I suffered from stagnant arms for one hour until the Sun crossed the mountains despite quality ski gloves and feet have stalled because no shoes were WATERPROOF and were not sufficient to dry in the evening towards this morning because of the daily walk in the snow. On the other hand, the early days were completely dry so it was overkill to carry sealed water shoes. What I'm trying to say is that while trying to cut (like I tried to do this once and I went with a 9-10 pounds without Porter) you cannot prepare for every possible situation even if huge sums out of the equipment and therefore has to choose a minimum survival equipment for extreme cases like a blanket, Milot and others try to hit an average forecast and for emergencies.

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#28 Posted : Monday, December 1, 2014 8:13:35 PM(UTC)
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Right Eyal
A brief glimpse at the same hearing two screw eyes, 2: TNF and ARCTERYX.
The first one became a kind of fashion brand, even their shoes after 100 km, to say goodbye to their solia (real).
The other continues to produce quality products (and extremely expensive), and does not yield the fashion bags by 300 live:(you made some garbage bag "bad standing", I put two straps, read ' Mrs. built on the assumption that a dozen bags "Bamba" to take with you to your route's wastepaper)
Amma.
Respect me.

ItaiG  
#29 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:20:36 AM(UTC)
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Fascinating discussion as always here.

Incidentally, arette r mix some in Israel

Http://www.jetlag.co.il/fleece&jackets

Jonathan2  
#30 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:42:53 AM(UTC)
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The original discussion: me always have a raincoat for backpack. A raincoat and rain shield also (2911). If your trip is designed to dry and you want something minimal that protects from wind and occasional rain-coats like these, they are very easy (and not have to be expensive) (the Negev in winter is a good example – the likelihood of rain is very low, even if rain is usually disappear quickly). You can settle in just made a land, I think we can find that fewer than 100 NIS.

Ensuing discussion:

My experience is that prolonged bgschm you get wet anyway, no matter how many hundreds of dollars up your coat and shoes, bits if you don't get wet from the outside-then as Arthur noted. you get wet inside because of condensation. I have a coat of stealth (one of the Gore-Tex-like) of a company and an experimental and a cyclist (City area) is not full, and if so-negligible way. This leads me to believe that disease is a type of spam, at least at a temperature above zero degrees. And below zero degrees where yet.

What does Abd () is a polyester base layer ("thermals"), fleece and rain jacket. Between these three things have all weather combination between heat and dryness, cold and rain, including all options (cold and dryness, heat and rain). If rain is a reasonable option, so take my pants off too, but the only situation that is comfortable to walk in the rain and cold atoms is pants (say below 10 degrees)-otherwise it's just a sultry hot and wet inside because you sweating.

The advantage I find synthetic clothes is that they dry quickly, certainly more than wool.

And another point:

Life time of opaque clothing is limited. The seal is based on a plated fabric waterproof material, and finally he peels off. Good clothes (including raincoats "heavy duty" of luxury brands) it takes 3-4 seasons (depending on the level), and then have to seal them or buying something new. My experience with sealants is limited and successful, but soon I will have to try again and report back.

Incidentally, the sealing of new soptshlim need to sometimes much-much more frequently, I suppose that elastic fabric.

In summary: If your tour is to have easy solutions, and cheap, but not so. In rainy trip-I'd recommend something more airtight, but warns that the various hagortecs are primarily a marketing gimmick, not something that works, and for the price, because in a few years you'll have to buy a new one.

I dug enough.

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#31 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2014 1:51:26 AM(UTC)
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[Quote = hikert; 582746]

Arthur. Select the words "extreme" and bearable was mistaken, as it is subjective in the eyes of the traveler. I'm talking about conditions are volatile areas, such as skandivia (meet soon) or Alpine areas, where even the season, weather can surprise and you find yourself a full day walking under the rain in otzmothio variable. Regarding hardshl, I'd like to talk to me in private about the recommendations. In addition, I would like to specify how do you cope with covering the lower part of the body and the water leakage problem opaque layers for parts that are not covered in another layer.

If you wear waterproof pants too and the top layer will be in arofa on the bottom layer should not occur in you state under water.

I hope I understood your question correctly.

If you travel a day under the rain, as you said, you're going to be wet. No matter what equipment you have. No system is not completely opaque.  Enough people have already completed with that knowledge. See an example of the increasing flow of people travelling with airy space on Sprint shoes long paths in the rain or even snow.

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#32 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2014 2:28:58 AM(UTC)
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First of all, thank you for responding so far. Each and every one of you gave an interesting angle. I would like to sum up we say so far. First, a person going = person sweats. This is a point that seems to all terioialit, but understanding this point, modify our continue, since a person sweat = wet person (in these or other ranks). In other words, a layer or another doesn't change the fact that you wet at some point during the walk. Good to me, who told about his experiences in extreme conditions that most of us haven't experienced (which is another early day in dry mode). If so, I think the discussion should deal first with the question "How can I keep my body temperature in dry conditions. The proposed synthetic fleece layer or stratum, and synthetic material that seems to paint dry with relative ease in the end (not always huts, shelter) will help both to save body heat and serve us the next day. According to most posts in the discussion, the understanding is that airtight layers of water = opaque layers! That is, you must take into account that without layer retains temperature (fever), the layer will prevent the entry of water into the base (although I think the decades waters elsewhere), but will sweat more (even if there are vents in different places), which increase the moisture. In such cases, and from experience, sweat + (or even just stop) = origin + danger of hypothermia.

My main conclusion from the discussion so far is worth to invest in synthetic base layer/Reno/Felice (each what seems to him right?), the less sweat and keep body temperature as much as possible. In situations of strong wind and/or rain medium (each set) and/or hail/snow, consider another layer (Mid-layer) to maintain body temperature, and a thin layer of water resistant, prevent total so wet the middle layer '.

A case that happened to me and (era) idanz Sunday excursion in Corsica. The weather was cloudy, but not directly on the storm. How have the first vendor, ghosts and small atslipo us a bit like hail, and in addition to ED our bones (especially at the top). Name on ardshl age, and I storm suit simple and minute on my base layer (of type driducks). Conclusions of the event: 1. a simple storm suit pigeon flies off in the wind and tide. 2. the ardshl helps, but the age say how he came to a hut at the end of the day. Bottom line, we have reached the end of the day we had to dry and warm layers, eating soup and it was fine.

Trophy well, with limited and partly breathing can help in cases of sporadic rain. In more extreme cases, consider a massive layer, but the bottom line is, when there is a storm, the chances that a man will come out of this wet and freezing, is slim.

I think the discussion will be also different materials that exist on the market today-type substance, durability, advantages and disadvantages of each material. Types of "magic" products of all kinds such as prtecs, Gore-Tex, loaded by a few here, prison, season, especially expensive gimmicks (Sergei and Arthur, I know you're not entirely agree on this). There are a lot of technologies and today various methods and the thing is to find a quality product (and rather unusually inexpensive) that gives protection range between water protection to avoid breathing excessive sweat.

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klum  
#33 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2014 7:10:34 AM(UTC)
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All that being said, I figured as much. (Some of them already gathered earlier).
It's better to spend a little more quality encampment (via), its effectiveness is questionable, than ardshl, so that its effectiveness is questionable.
To rely solely on reverse as coat intermediate layer could be problematic, since it was wet, and he (and is wet), what to wear the next day?
To carry with you in case another quality base layer and some Boxer shorts, and the end of the runway. To get to the end of a rainy day to AHL/shelter/hut, and continue to shake off the cold.
Remaining an open question for me: go for a day in the rain the next morning still rainy. (Assuming I'm not in a hurry to catch a flight)
I know that the discussion focuses on equipment, and conduct in the rain, but as I'd love to hear how you are driving.

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#34 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2014 8:33:16 AM(UTC)
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Kinda depends on how it's raining, but I was staying in the tent and wait for the end of the rain.
Beyond that, where there is uncertainty that sometimes get wet, I'd take extra thick base layer,
To have warm and dry clothes to sleep in them.
And most importantly (and say)-the sleeping bag, mattress and tent into a plastic bag,
Because a sleeping bag and a tent that's as wet sucks.
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#35 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2014 8:47:21 AM(UTC)
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I think that klum brought here a link to ZPacks's coat-above expensive, but similar developing now under discussion in the pct's Facebook's many 2014 references. He's probably still worth, despite the high cost. Joe (ZPacks) also claims he made him all was dry TGO. But maybe it's rktspic.

About the two-day trip in rainy, you know it's not necessarily going to be over soon, so with all my shit in the morning wet socks and clothes are damp, and hitting the road. At least it works on the AT. I imagine frozen places and really extreme is a recipe for face hypothermia.
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#36 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:14:30 AM(UTC)
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Noam.
Months not to coat zpack (pants) in stock the reason, he argues, he ran out of the raw material, which he calls the challenger.
I don't know about the long term durability of the fabric, and ה"נשימה capability.
I also wonder what exactly know Joe don't know ה"ממוסדות" companies keep track inspections (you cannon).
Can only buy the fabric I have a friend, a seamstress specializing in odd jobs like these, can see her profitability. (Maybe you can do with some package deal).
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#37 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2014 1:05:34 PM(UTC)
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Read reviews about all kinds of options.
Or HELIUM 2
MONTANE MINIMUS MARMOT ESSENCE

And come to the conclusion that there's nothing better than a good membrane 3 layers, the minimum weight is around 300 gram (that means my heavier item at 250 grams, or go up to 2 x).
If each EVENT or something respectable company like GORETEX ARCTERYX 280גרם weight.

Thanks for the interesting discussion.
klum  
#38 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2014 3:08:12 PM(UTC)
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Buena, Sergey we have good taste now the ARCTERYX was sold for $ 45 (reg. $ 578.95).
Perhaps as a nimchor review?
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#39 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2014 3:33:11 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = klum; 582766] Buena, Sergey we have good taste now the ARCTERYX was sold for $ 45 (reg. $ 578.95).
Perhaps as a nimchor review?

If you want to sell your car also has this product http://www.campsaver.com/nordwand-le-pro jacket-men's.

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#40 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2014 6:51:06 PM(UTC)
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Even if I had all the money in the world wouldn't buy the Nordwand for hiking.
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