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Amtrak  
#21 Posted : Tuesday, May 5, 2015 10:29:43 PM(UTC)
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I was talking with Aaron Shohet four years ago (late May 2011), after you turned me on to it, יענקל'ה.
He told me you KML is made using Google maps and aerial. Where he felt the trail he was different from the marked trail currently in Google maps, it is marked the path he walked (by feeling/consultation with Danny Gaspar/comparison with maps). He also said that accurate up to about on Google Earth, and it looks like his experience.
I guess since Danny Gaspar on Israel National Trail with a measurement every 10 meters. Anyway, as Gibson said, beyond the distance between measurements is also very important, the accuracy of the measurement itself. If all 10 meters has a point with deviated 50-/+ (or even 10-/+), then the digital information of the trail will also be inaccurate.

Again, it doesn't matter who goes. Differences in total distance and/or total increase or decrease will be negligible (and even if not, what difference does it make the trail itself is the same for if you say there is total 20 km along the lifts and turns out it's even 25, it doesn't matter who goes it just change the number you gave to the same level of effort you did). But I think there is value in gathering accurate information as possible, for the location of the trail itself will be safe. And also will be available and open to anyone who wants to do something.

Gibson-you find out the details about the measurements and accuracy. It is interesting (to me at least).
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#22 Posted : Wednesday, May 6, 2015 1:39:26 AM(UTC)
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I don't know why large deviations in measurement don't change.
Speaking of 20 km and at the end it turns out that 25 km so it really increases not negligible.
Or doing a thorough job or a machpapim. Why think anyone?
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#23 Posted : Wednesday, May 6, 2015 6:24:10 AM(UTC)
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Amtrak:

Shohat was not the only metric. The original measurement was done every 200 m yagil. He went in succession with a device that has a relatively small memory

That is what was at the time, and therefore all 200 m index. After Danny reported that his this entire system measured about 5% over the entire length of the trail,

Yagil came to the surface and measured again and this time every 10 m. Following this measurement did match the path and got 1004 km.

The measure is my standard yagil 1014 km due to changes in the route since 2012.

Tilapia:

If there are 25 miles and 20 lifts (25%) It is significant. I wrote that if instead of 20 km there are 19.5 km (5% variance)

It doesn't really matter.

Interested curiosity: our measurement the Ramot Menashe decided to test how GPS helps knowledge. I measured section

The kibbutz hazorea and mishmar haemek in. .. Duplicate steps. I got the measurement of 5.5 km in the same section was yagil every 10 m

And is 5.8 km index.  Conclusion: since the military service when used for the first time in my footsteps, which shorten at 5%.

Gil: I hope the length measurement for the photographers be in retry intervals are small as possible, although I think it's not their mission.

Wait patiently for the results. If they indeed measure once every 2.5 minutes, ask them to pick one of about 20 km and decor all meters.

It would be interesting to compare the difference.

Edited by user Wednesday, May 6, 2015 6:40:18 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#24 Posted : Wednesday, May 6, 2015 8:25:49 AM(UTC)
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The thing gets head. Here is the publication in France. That way it's Google articles.

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#25 Posted : Wednesday, May 6, 2015 8:29:02 AM(UTC)
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My contention is that if the Israel trail hike, when it had a cumulative 20 km and was hard-but-not-too-difficult (or maybe it's easy, because I just got back from Nepal before the earthquake). And a week later, telling you what I left was actually a cumulative 25 km on it, it doesn't matter the level of difficulty you went. Just the number you gave it. The total increase of the trail is just an arbitrary number that we give him, and no matter what you actually do. The trail itself exists, and that number is determined, and sets. If you know in advance that this may 25 and 20, have you something mentally. But the difficulty in the end was the same.

All these measurements are not to be put at the end of the book and know that he's long trail or 1014 1004 km for to know * where * exactly is. To set the path in the form. It can easily use this information to do other things. Like to write guides, with information on the exact location of all the interesting points along the trail.
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#26 Posted : Wednesday, May 6, 2015 10:08:45 AM(UTC)
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An interesting discussion at least academic level. In order to write a guide needs to go.

Parts guides have been written without the author went on the ground.

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#27 Posted : Thursday, May 7, 2015 12:18:32 PM(UTC)
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Some ASA!

I'm against those things. Just killed me today. Google logs every fucking corner.
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#28 Posted : Thursday, May 7, 2015 1:48:48 PM(UTC)
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How can it be bad? Give me one aspect where it hurts for or nature lovers?
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#29 Posted : Thursday, May 7, 2015 3:08:13 PM(UTC)
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It depends on which nature lovers.
I am also against markups along the tracks. I think all that standardizing harms nature and especially.
I did "PCT" is so clear and sharp ethical standard, there are thousands who have done the same thing. And there is a difference between things.

And especially this personal experience. At least I see it that way.

I know many disagree with me, but it's my vision.
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#30 Posted : Thursday, May 7, 2015 4:37:15 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = Amnon Paulose; 586210] how can it be bad? Give me one aspect where it hurts for or nature lovers?

I think it's damn good. But I read opinions that spoil the initial balicha experience itself. Whoever claimed to stop surf and turf.

And topographic: is in order not to hurt.  If anyone goes for his damage to the currency.

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#31 Posted : Thursday, May 7, 2015 5:25:12 PM(UTC)
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Those who think Google Street view viewing will destroy his initial experience, don't watch it. Just terrible.
Also read the story and view the filmed images or even looking at the route map for tofu, destroy something primal experience.
Who wants to be piorist and go for Tabula Rasa, without any prior knowledge "destroys" initial can do it without any problem.
There are all kinds of dark sides to monopolies like Google but in this case I'm appreciative for their service.
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#32 Posted : Thursday, May 7, 2015 9:05:24 PM(UTC)
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Incla. you're right about damaging the nature if not be tracked but bilip. If there are no trails see just anywhere so intensively stepped in the same places. I think the less damaged dooch What is important is not to be returned (and there are quite a few people I see on the Israeli trail).

Amnon, Yes and no. Each defines his adventure level. Why do you think people are going to akspeditiot? Why Andrew skorka made the journey in Alaska? There are plenty of mountains. I believe that there are beautiful routes very easy to reach. Because these people are seeking not only these deeper views. Many people at my work "journey" for New Zealand to car rental, B&B and maybe trips.

In other words, I admit that I'm not rational. And pretty hard to explain the feelings and vision. Hope some of you got the message.

And what does that have to do with Google and three-dimensional mpoi? Because of globalization and standardization make the worse business. I tried to explain, of course I know you, who uses any means. I would love to meet people and only if the other side.

Gregg.
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#33 Posted : Thursday, May 7, 2015 10:31:38 PM(UTC)
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I think that such a long trail of documentation (in the world) there us a lot stronger on the map and increases the likelihood that people would take it.

I don't think the type of population walking trails give up just because walking has been photographed there, all the documentation I've seen of you wanted to walk (PCT, say) only increased my appetite.

Anyway-the specimen (Photo + GPS wound) will all 2.5 seconds (!) and every 2.5 minutes. Close enough to my mind. (It works out to about every 2-3 feet by my calculation)

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#34 Posted : Friday, May 8, 2015 10:03:26 AM(UTC)
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Obviously be the best measurement to date along the path.

It will be interesting to see how it changes the length compared to one sample to 10 m.

BTW: the website of the nature preservation society said that along the 1100 km.

It seemed unusual.

Edited by user Friday, May 8, 2015 10:13:17 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#35 Posted : Friday, May 8, 2015 12:13:51 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for the info, Gibson. But what quality measurements? Which they use GPS? I don't know much about technical details (DGPS and stuff), but I just wonder what will be the quality of the samples. And of course what they do with the samples you have at the end.
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#36 Posted : Friday, May 8, 2015 2:54:42 PM(UTC)
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Read the features of specification of the Trekker hopes agreement electronically.

Tuned and "Confidential" in the title I cannot reveal details, only saying that it is just a measurement that has not been here and there is more than one GPS receiver. Unless someone intentionally 60 feet (Government, say) can be put to exactly that level don't have again measure back for (maybe new sections ...)

Big-brand information is available including stabbings (just Open source classic), but not sure it would be easy to glean what the punctures. I'll try (once it's released) to obtain zokekot stabs to tinkering with the API.

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#37 Posted : Saturday, May 9, 2015 3:52:34 PM(UTC)
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Or. Certainly good news. Thank you very much.
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#38 Posted : Sunday, May 10, 2015 4:49:37 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = Amnon Paulose; 586178] beautiful days ahead.
Soon get friendly company detailed guide for
At the same time to thaw the land Manager to establish network for travellers cabins
Cooperation with Bedouin tribes in the South will increase significantly the population supply.
Add fountains and the landfills are regulated and completely solve the water problem from Arad.
Highlighting efforts of the society for the protection of nature, the path to the standard Western notation standard
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All the above stated course in cynicism and there's no way any of it happened (maybe friendly guide but I seriously doubt).
But a little patience and understanding Governments to show some improvement in 2069 along the path.

Killed me, Amnon.

Hochlim do not believe such things, until I read two sentences.

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#39 Posted : Monday, May 11, 2015 2:43:06 PM(UTC)
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Google measurement remove all doubt from my heart about the exact length of the trail.

Here is the comparison of measurement of measuring vs yagil Committee released in 2014.

The Holocaust is the section between the junction leading to the railway station of Hadera.

The junction leading to 25.9 km circuit yagil 24.5 km Committee.

Pine garage eradication 18.2 km yagil 17 Committee.

From Highway 70 launch parking-24 km yagil 23.5 km Committee.

From Highway 70 rchbthadra station-31.7 km yagil 29 Committee.

According to the Committee of the whole to the 94 km room measure yagil 99.8 km.

It is appropriate to adjust the measuring more than 5 percent for measurable intervals every 10 meters.

Strange company's site famous for 1100 kilometres long and it only 1014 yagil.

Wait for Google's measurement and marking and Amtrak .

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#40 Posted : Saturday, May 16, 2015 5:55:44 PM(UTC)
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In the pomegranate East move the blade to the wall and it shortened the route at about 400 m.

By other building a new neighborhood in the northern part of the town and moving north from route dbmbem blank 472 height.

The route is about 1 miles, maybe a little more. The total length of the path now 1013.1012 km.

Maps and a new description will be here soon. Gil, I guess you aichdeno these changes.

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