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rreeuutt  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, August 26, 2015 11:24:49 PM(UTC)
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Hi there,

We are two girls who want to start their path and 1.40 couldn't find answers to these questions.

In considering both in shape, it's too late to start We must stop before the stage of the atmanot in the area of Arad.

On whether we can do without in the dates? (I heard from a friend that there is a special coverage you can buy bag against rain, but you can't rely on two large plastic bags?)

C. some minimum we need water every day?

D maybe that strange question but how much do you estimate this to be dangerous from the standpoint of both girls to do for yourself?

Thanks a lot!

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#2 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 5:54:25 AM(UTC)
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[Quote = rreeuutt; 589059]

Hi there,

We are two girls who want to start their path and 1.40 couldn't find answers to these questions.

In considering both in shape, it's too late to start We must stop before the stage of the atmanot in the area of Arad.

It's time to start

On whether we can do without in the dates? (I heard from a friend that there is a special coverage you can buy bag against rain, but you can't rely on two large plastic bags?)

This kind of personal season tent. You can do without a few whole tent will not for the feeling.

C. some minimum we need water every day?

5 litre, 6 in wiping drinking + all others.

D maybe that strange question but how much do you estimate this to be dangerous from the standpoint of both girls to do for yourself?

Not

Thanks a lot!

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#3 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 7:59:57 AM(UTC)
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D. not only question is, is also required, and indicates to me a serious attitude.
In my opinion, I think it only highlights, share me:

1) during the day, I don't think there is a security problem, though is always a good idea to find out alertness, particularly high in sections.

2) in Jerusalem, the Judean corridor and the Northern Negev think overnight inside localities (you don't have to stay indoors, you can ask if you can settle for a piece of land not interfere). In addition, I'd avoid the space each villages in the lower Galilee.

It's my opinion, so I'd recommend my daughter to drive.

Edited by user Thursday, August 27, 2015 8:07:45 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#4 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 1:09:20 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = rreeuutt; 589059]

Hi there,

We are two girls who want to start their path and 1.40 couldn't find answers to these questions.

In considering both in shape, it's too late to start We must stop before the stage of the atmanot in the area of Arad.

On whether we can do without in the dates? (I heard from a friend that there is a special coverage you can buy bag against rain, but you can't rely on two large plastic bags?)

C. some minimum we need water every day?

D maybe that strange question but how much do you estimate this to be dangerous from the standpoint of both girls to do for yourself?

Thanks a lot!

A. October is classic IV who starts. Not even later. There are also those that start in mid/end of October. Of course it depends a lot on luck. Some years, dry and warm October roughly speaking: beyond season and years is wet and cool. Usually like every month there is also and it autumn.

B. without the tent but then should be a Word. Rain is less disturbing problem in October (on average there are 2-3 days of rain), and other flying mosquitoes can bother a lot more. You should exploit possible accommodation regulated in Malachi that Bill even if it involves sometimes a little deviation from the route (called also section c and d).

It depends on what hot tub water. If you are sleeping in places so it's regulated in drinking water alone then I would take 3-4 litres per day in North/Central and 4-5 per day (on a hot day I add another liter). If each area so the water is also used for cooking, washing dishes, brushing teeth etc then we're talking about 5-6 liters in North/Central and 8-7 in the South, and it's definitely burdensome. (Another good argument for giving up camping area).

D. join on this to what you wrote so gone. Generally if you're going to go until Arad can almost every night to sleep rather than regulated or less, as proposed, within communities. After Arad most already employed in campgrounds with only every few days give a town meeting (Sede Boqer, mitzpe Ramon, Sapphire) but to Arad can easily build program with a regulated at least 90% of the nights if you don't.

Have a good time. Experience beauty awaits.

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#5 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 1:52:11 PM(UTC)
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A few words about accommodation for travelers, regardless.  Seats are arranged in standard terminology, meaning accommodation fee (high or low).

About Malachi trail (= those who charge no charge) were many discussions about them and complete accommodation of participants in such discussions, it seems everybody.

Said there was no plan in the Israel National Trail (INT) trip based solely upon b in a Angel.  Whether you take a tent or not should not consider

The existence of angels.

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#6 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 2:35:23 PM(UTC)
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Agree with יענקל׳ה about the distinction between places for gentleman.

The trip is based too much on Malachi trail leads to overuse and erosion at the host, and it's not worthy to walk the path (and I know Angel a alone).

Better go away some hair shampoo scent before the Angel.

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#7 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 3:06:30 PM(UTC)
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A few notes are: accommodation within communities.

If it's only in old village with accommodation for a fee or for the angels.

Allowed to stay outside the Community (/hand) and not in a nature reserve.

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#8 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 3:42:14 PM(UTC)
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About the role is contained to protect the annoying tinnitus or which also to prevent entry of insects? And construction is for both in the form of four sticks (like a pup tent)? I think I first accommodation by dividing into sections and then come back with specific questions about places.

About aiotino two daughters gave their world 22 and took them to deal with bad people that I also think we should sleep in places, but we try to spend as little money. יענקל'ה, when you wrote that you should sleep in this settlement means I can not in any way to the bag with the grass, or it is subject to any approval

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#9 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 4:14:23 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = rreeuutt; 589070]

About the role is contained to protect the annoying tinnitus or which also to prevent entry of insects? And construction is for both in the form of four sticks (like a pup tent)? I think I first accommodation by dividing into sections and then come back with specific questions about places.

About aiotino two daughters gave their world 22 and took them to deal with bad people that I also think we should sleep in places, but we try to spend as little money. יענקל'ה, when you wrote that you should sleep in this settlement means I can not in any way to the bag with the grass, or it is subject to any approval

Mosquito net is also garden insects. There are several forms to contain one of which is failure, pup tent as described (even).

Communities must get permission before I retire to the grass.

About to sleep outdoors – while a couple of years, but you don't want to drift into paranoia. Sleeping outdoors is one of the great pleasures of walking for empowering the nature and for experience. There's a lot less bad in nature than in the city.

However, it is strongly recommended to run common sense-I in the region close to the axis traffic? Near villages Whether in moving around (if you don't know you can find a few places went problematic)? Is stopped and many people see us or towards the dark, and we are keeping a low profile? Are there any cellular? Are we in an area inaccessible by road or isolated?

We saw people suspects while walking? Etc.

Incidentally, most of the incidents that occurred were walking for a night parking events (mostly in the South).

In terms of access to business-refers to sleep in nature a necessary evil to be avoided as much as possible.

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#10 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 4:23:09 PM(UTC)
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Allowed in town and put a sleeping bag over the grass. Hikers did so and targeted contacts (in case or any other representative) ask them to leave.

Notorious known several rummage 12615 because travellers had done to themselves, the Sparrow asked not to come to them.

Accommodation in is only in authorized places (example: Sports Hall that the settlement agreed in advance that, see Kibbutz Dan) and always by appointment.

What letter my friends upstairs can be deceiving. Also they didn't mean you put a sleeping bag on a lawn without permission.

Lina: mind similar to Harmonix's mind. This is experiential, with precautions are advised.

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#11 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 5:05:06 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = HarmonicWave; 589068]

Agree with יענקל׳ה about the distinction between places for gentleman.

The trip is based too much on Malachi trail leads to overuse and erosion at the host, and it's not worthy to walk the path (and I know Angel a alone).

Better go away some hair shampoo scent before the Angel.

Agree in principle

But each case according to its circumstances and I think never clouded both girls at the age of 22 for only traveling can bend some principles. Not only for safety (even though it's a major consideration) but also to make them little weight I have to carry.

Anyhow after consideration I again change my recommendation and says:

From the beginning of the trail to Fort Worth to sleep in relative safety.

Away to Carmel caution is required.

From acarml to can't sleep well in relative security.

The tsuba to Arad-caution is required.

-Contain prevents insects to enter (if placed correctly) is not only against a buzzing against bites.

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#12 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 5:14:26 PM(UTC)
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As an Angel, my family and I look forward to welcoming you.

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#13 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 5:47:11 PM(UTC)
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I feel a bit like the angels representative

I spoke to over the years with many of them and I've heard enough stories, majority were good stories

Yesterday angei footpath in Degania Alef left the list.  I called him as I used to do when

Porsche wings and Angel leaves. Asked why he came out of the list and what was his experience with people.

He went from the list because he no longer lives in Kibbutz which is why major why angels are leaving the list.

The comments about people were: "most were OK."

I think we must be careful not to exceed certain rules as it relates to stay with the angels.

After all 22 girls have already done and know a little about life. Are not 16-year-old girls.

To carry a lightweight on the back don't have to sleep in at night.

It seems to me that there is so much disagreement.

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#14 Posted : Saturday, August 29, 2015 10:53:32 AM(UTC)
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So what did we have? Two young girls who decided to come and go for me Israel, it gives rise to an assessment, and asked what the quantity herea minimum of water. Force immediately loaded on their shoulders the fragility of volumes 6, 7 and even 8 gallons of water per day.
If we assume that the weight of the casings that have to be not less than 9-10 kg at best (not impressed that this girls best invested money in purchasing
The latest in ultra-Lite) and add this weight food and water amounts recommended them to my predecessor, General weight of 16-18 lbs and even more what will probably turn their trip into a nightmare.

Is it possible to reduce those amounts. Of course, if discretion and taking into account the following points:

1. women consume about 20 percent less water than men. I guess my predecessor not referred to this fact in the amount of water indicated. So here's another one to female physiology.

2. winter weather water consumption is about 15 (min) than in summer day. So no need to automatically load 6 litres on the back and discover at the end that we were left with 4 liters. The weather is an important consideration in deciding on the amount of water taken.

3. to make the soup pot and brush your teeth don't need more than one gallon of water per person.

4. If there are water sources are available, why should carry water for a whole day? In the North and in the Center there are water sources (Springs communities, parking garages, taps of sources, gas stations, etc) and it seems to me that almost no day you encounter any faucet, and sometimes even three or four. In the South there are such sources, but some should have. Catching up to where there are such sources, and the quantity of water accordingly.

5. almost at the end of each day's walk coming to water source. In the South it will tap or burying, no problem and plan the end walks every day near a water source. It doesn't matter if the last hour or two of walking left with a small quantity of water, knowing that the end point can be to quench the thirst, and wash the food we used them in a way to brush your teeth and approx.

6. drink plenty of water before you start. A liter of water in the stomach more than a liter of water.

7. to refrain from eating food from thirsty (and salted) and try to avoid cooking food that requires a lot of water for making it (rice, pasta etc). For example, better soup.

8. wear long clothing on days with strong sunlight to reduce the amount of fluid the body loses.


And something from my experience. I went the the southern part of the trail in October and finished in Eilat in early November.
My thermometer was 40 degrees when I left in pteranthus and 36 little crater before the rise of above me.
And yet I don't recall that even the hottest days I carried on my back more than 4 4.5 liters per day. It was probably because of the reasons mentioned here.

I'd love to hear about other additions and fixes and experienced than me. And both girls the best of luck.

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#15 Posted : Saturday, August 29, 2015 11:33:16 AM(UTC)
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You need to separate your references to the North and Negev.

The Negev also required women to pay a minimum of 4 litres of water on his back for drinks only.

Everything else in atmanot, bounces, etc.

In the North the story is different not just because of the weather but because there where fill water way.

At 36 degrees don't walk at all. Over 30 degrees have no less than 6 liters of water a day to l'm not sure that will be enough.

However I can't stand out. Low. Each has a different physiology.

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#16 Posted : Saturday, August 29, 2015 12:18:02 PM(UTC)
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Five years ago, I made a trip to five days Hermon naphtali if those weights on their backs. I think forced us to carry 6 liters of water, but I always left me a quart or liter-and-a-half at the end of the day (without filling up the road). I think we go with 5 liters a day and see if it will do, it will be too much for us-and it we'il/Add. Anyway, we try to be as much weight as possible.

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#17 Posted : Saturday, August 29, 2015 12:56:07 PM(UTC)
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As written up in the North with correct planning, there's no reason to carry more than 3 and fill.

The fill is not always and need to deviate from the path. That's why I take water for the day.

Rather than deviate from the road. South no less than four litres for drinking alone and it depends

In the weather. Also in December has sometimes (rarely) 30 degrees.

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#18 Posted : Saturday, August 29, 2015 4:55:22 PM(UTC)
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The question about the amount of water is very personal.
Start in the early days of the 4 litre (for the day hike) and see how you're doing.
Probably 4 liters of it a little bit more than I drink during the day we khamsin.
In the early days, try to do it all night (cooking, drinking, facial, feet washing, brushing teeth) with a specific bottle (so you know how much you need, and you can calculate below).

What does attention if caught you will have to take some hot days than normal calculation.

Good luck.
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#19 Posted : Saturday, August 29, 2015 8:16:02 PM(UTC)
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The desired calculation is:
In the days of Noah-jacket a pint for an appointment.
Half of it to rest.

On hot days a gallon for an appointment and a pint per hour.

All it needs to calculate the water for cooking and personal hygiene.

Of course, planning a bank levy – water and possible way.

Note finally
It is better to finish the walking day with extra liter than liters missing.

Good week
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#20 Posted : Saturday, August 29, 2015 8:40:06 PM(UTC)
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S. K, something in your account:.
A hot day shitch:
5 hours "cheap" 5 liter
9 hours 0 liters
10 hours of rest-5 liters
Cricket/hygiene 0 liters
A total of 10 liters?
What am I doing wrong?
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