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יובלש  
#21 Posted : Saturday, August 29, 2015 10:51:17 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = stardust; 589101]

1. women consume about 20 percent less water than men. I guess my predecessor not referred to this fact in the amount of water indicated. So here's another one to female physiology.

Nothing to do with Physiology women weighing on average 20% less than men and therefore consume 20% less water.

2. winter weather water consumption is about 15 (min) than in summer day. So no need to automatically load 6 litres on the back and discover at the end that we were left with 4 liters. The weather is an important consideration in deciding on the amount of water taken.

"Winter weather" in October? why on TMB

I'd love to hear about other additions and fixes and experienced than me. And both girls the best of luck.

I think water is the last thing we ought to play it as written by one of my predecessor-to finish the day with a liter of water on their backs than to discover in the middle of the day you've had. "Cheap" food "skimp" on personal hygiene and clothing. Don't skimp.

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#22 Posted : Sunday, August 30, 2015 1:44:32 AM(UTC)
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Iobelsh, I really appreciate your responsibility and that you find the topics of pikuach Nefesh. And there's really no intention to spar with anybody. But in this case the simple mathematics of numbers and especially you iank, nkbtam here, saying this trip is actually impossible for these two girls. Because we know that it is possible, there is no choice but to conclude that there is a problem with numbers. What I was trying to show that these numbers aren't carved in a rock and see them as a Chinese, but they are subject to change depending on the conditions you some at least I laid my best. Note that I gave no absolute amounts but tried to give tools to help these two girls run discretion and decide themselves on the water quantities that need to carry without exceeding precautionary rules.

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#23 Posted : Sunday, August 30, 2015 8:50:42 AM(UTC)
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Each of us, Siegel himself what suits him. We repeat discussions held in the past and it's a good thing because it benefits, not travelers.

Recommend two great download and read the introduction to the Guide.

My considerations when I take water through it like this:

I don't want to deviate from the path to full of water. There is enough water sources on the path to Arad. In oikishbil there is a list.

In the winter I go with 4 liters of hot water and 5 liters. In the South of not less than 5 litres and on warmer days or long 6 liters.

Women can take one liter less.  It's best to carry a liter more than trade, especially water.

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STARDUST: the trip to everyone including build minutes cut even if it carries 4 liters of water.

Young daughter went in 2004. So had no forum to consult with experienced people and dragged on longer days.

The Negev 15 kg.

The cooking water, shine, face wash and shower light field, in huge, bouncing.

On her back taking drinking water only. Some (men) who take water for days in order not to rely on the landfills

And ons etc. This is a good solution but not really appropriate for girls.

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#24 Posted : Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:19:38 AM(UTC)
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[Quote = klum; 589111] S. K, something in your account:.
A hot day shitch:
5 hours "cheap" 5 liter
9 hours 0 liters
10 hours of rest-5 liters
Cricket/hygiene 0 liters
A total of 10 liters?
What am I doing wrong?

You ask whether a man in a hot day don't drink 4 cups in time?

Or does a person alone in a hot day don't drink 2 cups per hour?

Or you wonder that ultimately needs a person's overall water activity varies on a hot day in the field reaches 10 litres in 24 hours?

I think the question should be set to a hot day. That trip a day (say less than 30 degrees) water consumption required (again generally host) will be half of the calculation.

Edited by user Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:25:54 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#25 Posted : Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:44:10 AM(UTC)
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It wasn't a tease question.
I don't remember having seen or I myself carried 10-12 liters of water per day-number 5-6 liters remember more when might we travellers in saturation?
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#26 Posted : Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:04:20 AM(UTC)
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In my opinion Yes. Not just when we are travelling.
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#27 Posted : Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:06:09 AM(UTC)
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STARDUST traveled in 36 degrees in oedipoda. For me it's hot.

I'm not traveling at 30 degrees in the Judean Hills.  For this STAR.

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#28 Posted : Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:10:30 AM(UTC)
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We are of course talking about principles and the general population.

Exceptions here or here is always (in terms of cold, heat, lack of sleep, physical ability etc etc) we in guiding principles to include them.
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#29 Posted : Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:15:15 AM(UTC)
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[Quote = klum; 589125] it wasn't a tease question.
I don't remember having seen or I myself carried 10-12 liters of water per day-number 5-6 liters remember more when might we travellers in saturation?

Sometimes Yes. One of the skills is to learn how to replenish water sources in and out of them (for a long time, until the saturation of the body and to cease feeling of thirst).

Never traveled with 10 liters of water a day (these days I'd rather not travel).

There is no recommendation but remember February took 7 litres for two days between SDE Boker Observatory (and finished with 300 סמ״ק). It really depends on the person, and a track.

The build starts from the North, so until they arrive to be oklmot, recognize their walk rate, etc.

Whoever starts, these calculations are much more critical.

Another נק׳ is that excess water Matt, burdened and may increase the chance of injury.

Walk the course group increases safety margins (transfer of water to the weak, the last trip ע״ע).

In short, the experience needed to gain safe, if not sure how do I join the recommendation to take a bit more water.

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#30 Posted : Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:24:46 AM(UTC)
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[Quote = stardust; 589118]

Iobelsh, I really appreciate your responsibility and that you find the topics of pikuach Nefesh. And there's really no intention to spar with anybody. But in this case the simple mathematics of numbers and especially you iank, nkbtam here, saying this trip is actually impossible for these two girls. Because we know that it is possible, there is no choice but to conclude that there is a problem with numbers. What I was trying to show that these numbers aren't carved in a rock and see them as a Chinese, but they are subject to change depending on the conditions you some at least I laid my best. Note that I gave no absolute amounts but tried to give tools to help these two girls run discretion and decide themselves on the water quantities that need to carry without exceeding precautionary rules.

Eventually everyone speaks from experience and apisiologia.

Me, cool day, not 4 litre of crest. Lucky guys with extra water gave me to drink litres and that's how I got to 5 liters.

You handled according to testimony, on hot days, less so.

I tried to climb on a Haifa Israel launch a day of 31 degrees and high humidity. It ends in exhaustion and fainting before Arad.

You, according to your testimony, go in a 40 day pteranthus and probably not suffer.

On the other hand the Alta via soon began to descend upon us and my partner said he did not feel his palms and look like you're going to go into hypothermia.

I thought it was great weather for walking and type of experience.

So no spar and think-rather the girls start with the quantity I mentioned and if they see some days they consistently come up with extra water

The drop in quantity. The first few days anyway to didn't particularly difficult (except section 2 that, on a hot day, was "breaking" with tolerance to Kibbutz yiftah) carrying unnecessary "then" if not we will break them.

With experience can also adjust the amount of weather and terrain. Don't take the same amount of part of Mount Meron, and followed part of Amud stream. Don't take the same amount to the part he mostly shaded and exposed part and certainly not take the same amount on the day the maximum temperature is 16 and to the expected maximum temperature is 26. But when you're inexperienced and starts as the girls take a profit.

BTW, the girls said they were going to debate then about Arad amounts is completely theoretical.

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#31 Posted : Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:33:25 AM(UTC)
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Unrelated, but just not long ago, I found out that excess drinking-dangerous!
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#32 Posted : Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:35:01 AM(UTC)
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Harmonix: "never traveled with 10 liters of water a day (these days I'd rather not travel).

This is a critical point.

According to the calculation (even if it seems excessive to him) unlikely quantity of water required to carry some number of options:

1 not out.
2. find a reliable and safe water sources to fill in water.
3. divide or shorten the track.

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#33 Posted : Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:44:46 AM(UTC)
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[Quote = klum; 589134] not connected, but not long ago, I found out that excess drinking-dangerous!

Definitely!

And the explanation on the body eliminates excess drinking has changed. With the changed the body loses salts important too that he loses anyway sweating. Lack of certain salts

May harm the heart and other organs.

(Once decades ago were dead balls parts army before serious activities on hot days to avoid it).

And yet, for anyone engaged in strenuous exercise on a hot day and injured several dozen have excess drinking or hundreds injured with bruises and tiibshoyoth caused by heat

Than MIDI. (So stop with the salt).

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#34 Posted : Sunday, August 30, 2015 12:01:54 PM(UTC)
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Now the girls know exactly how much water they should take

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#35 Posted : Sunday, August 30, 2015 12:03:42 PM(UTC)
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And group size also determines the confidence intervals.

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#36 Posted : Sunday, August 30, 2015 12:06:57 PM(UTC)
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Iobelsh:

And yet, for anyone engaged in strenuous exercise on a hot day and injured several dozen have excess drinking or hundreds injured with bruises and tiibshoyoth caused by heat than by drinking. (So stop with the salt). "

Really like this.


1. the phenomenon exists but is rare. And unfortunately, indicating the danger of excessive drinking in the same breath with dangers of drinking people caught it and didn't realize that the vast majority of people get hurt from dehydration and an increase in body temperature and excess.


2. in my opinion the reason for terminating the salt stems from the realisation that even this food we drink enough salt (and more supplies)


3. Stresses only that heat stroke and dehydration are two distinct phenomena that don't necessarily have anything in them.

Edited by user Sunday, August 30, 2015 12:14:20 PM(UTC)  | Reason: בקצב של ההודעות פה כבר אי אפשר לדעת למי מגיבים....

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#37 Posted : Sunday, August 30, 2015 1:18:39 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = S.K.; 589139]

Iobelsh:

And yet, for anyone engaged in strenuous exercise on a hot day and injured several dozen have excess drinking or hundreds injured with bruises and tiibshoyoth caused by heat than by drinking. (So stop with the salt). "

Really like this.


1. the phenomenon exists but is rare. And unfortunately, indicating the danger of excessive drinking in the same breath with dangers of drinking people caught it and didn't realize that the vast majority of people get hurt from dehydration and an increase in body temperature and excess.


2. in my opinion the reason for terminating the salt stems from the realisation that even this food we drink enough salt (and more supplies)


3. Stresses only that heat stroke and dehydration are two distinct phenomena that don't necessarily have anything in them.

I knew if I dig deep enough is something we agree on.

But just to be precise, not really dead, just gone the day they come more sophisticated formation

Isotonis כ"משקאות. These are drinks designed to return the body in the same also the water lost in sweat.

The salts and minerals lost with her.

But it is designed more for people doing extreme stresses such as Triathlon, marathon runner and Ironman.

In my opinion the person is healthy and reasonable fitness hiking or trekking to the list of efforts that require isotonis drinks.

Yankele-this brainstorming is useful to build and everyone who encounters in this discussion.

What can we learn from mostly not necessarily consistent and correct answer for everyone.

And all went to learn to listen to his body and knew what the right amount.

(Until they knew it, a matter of a week I think better to take less.)

The exact number of liters is less important in this discussion.

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#38 Posted : Sunday, August 30, 2015 1:33:04 PM(UTC)
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If I travel starts I lost you-STASRDUST.

For the future it is likely to help, unless travel, a: not lost patience in searching in the Forum.

And this is exactly why these discussions are held every new season.

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