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ניימש  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:02:23 AM(UTC)
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Hi
My son is going to be 13 this summer and thankfully much (slight encouragement) he chose his bar mitzvah trip would be slammed.
The idea is to take three or four days, sleeping in huts and build a track without much. I thought about something in the area but not the tmb itself so that you don't have the crazy ups and downs. I remember chsteilano in Austria (with) we saw that there are many programs that run on the ridge.
There are also the tmb?
You have additional ideas for 3-4 days After I showed him pictures of all kinds of regions bore a clear preference for the Alpine region. (Hurray!!!)
Just about as old-will be 13 in good shape, less accustomed to long tours but we trekked to the mountain-governance Creek-waterfalls are not approaching the stripes in Europe but he was going so easily and I'm 37 years old, of average fitness, travel a lot and this excellent forum Europe (Pyrenees, part of av2 and part of adolomits). Before the Trek must go out to sea to sea trail in preparation for him.
In short, I hope the level of guaranteed

Many thanks in advance,
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 10:22:23 AM(UTC)
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3-4 days can pass in Chamonix Mont-Blanc. Track: from COL DE FORCLAZ until LES HOUCHES.

Every day get the cable to the trailhead and back to the cable and/or the free transportation.

Add the foot rising to AGUILLES DU MIDI cable car and chairlift: the Valley

Back white. Another site to visit is GLACE DE MER it: an increase in the roller coaster, glacier, leg

A short walk inside the glacier, back on the train and in the roller coaster back to Chamonix.

The bus and train travel in Chamonix Valley are free for those who cook in the region received PASS.

The use of cable cars and mountain railways. You can buy a daily ticket or some days very mosill

Costs. The cable car above the white Valley is included in the card.

The advantage of this program in one place (at any level you choose from camping to luxury hotel) without having to worry about accommodations

In several places.  Maximum flexibility in design. The trip over the white Valley only in good weather.

If you have a nice day coming up. And in the evenings enjoy benefits like Chamonix town offers.

Farmers market on Saturdays instead, equal.

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#3 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 10:48:26 AM(UTC)
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Do you want to go all the way or rpiogis time to descend into the Valley and back on cable?
I believe that all the fun is to walk the runway and sleep every night with reflux in rpiogis it was an integral part of the experience on the trail.
I was going to Jack off bookig alfibs to Chamonix, in roller coaster to MERE tourist DE GLACE
To see and touch the glacier
Returning to the bus, accommodation in TRES LES CHAMP
The next day, rising to LAC BLANC and sleep there.
Tomorrow going to BREVENT and sleeping there.
Morning falls in cable car to Chamonix, take a bus to PALUD, take the cable car up to the HOTEL DE PRARION, and goes through until MIAGES variation.
The next day, going up to LA BALME sleep there.
The next morning, returning on foot to CONTAMINES after doing walk forth to LAC DE JOVET

For tips and questions call me 0522791953

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#4 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 1:59:32 PM(UTC)
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Agree with Ma that a key part of this is at.
Also the conceptual difference between one Trek of 4 days and 4 day trip is significant.

If so, why not go four days out of the TMB? Including passim?
For example, to go from Les Contamines or Les Houches to Courmayor and then return to Chamonix by train (or by the expensive cable the Mont Blanc.

Jonathan

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#5 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 3:32:56 PM(UTC)
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If you choose to go 4 days on TMB and return to Chamonix Mont-Blanc to miss the expensive option

To switch from a cable car to the VALLEY and FREE WI ... It's the fillet all the TMB.

I suggest to put this discussion thread of the TMB.

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#6 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 3:35:51 PM(UTC)
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I also joined in support for day trips.

You can build paths easier to use cable cars, etc.

Although it is difficult to compare the TMB to routes in the country.

But some of the difference in degree of difficulty "offset" the quality much better.

(No need to fight bolderim and climb up and down ladders/scalability as the Eilat mountains) and weather.

A shorter route for 4 days:

Day 1-rafiog la contmin to dress in Elm (an increase of 770 meters instead of 1340 meters filled according to sound school de venhom).

Day 2-La rafiog Elm Road in the sound venhom to shapio (ascending and descending of 600 metres).

Day 3-take the free shapio will de Glacier (no her but saves 5 km road) and go to Elizabeth.

Day 4 from Elizabeth to Courmayeur. Cable for to Courmayeur and thus save 600 feet of steep

Don't see why 13 year mom and daughter likely fit 37 with experience in trekking will track this friendly.

Pleasure guaranteed!

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#7 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 3:40:56 PM(UTC)
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"To not have the crazy ups and downs every day."
The most cool section on mind:
Day 1-brevent cable car to her and to the flegere
Day 2-from flegere walking through lac blanc to tre le champ
Day 3: walk to le tour to balme chairlift on her (or her foot aiguille des posettes road) and the col de forclaz decline to name (or trient)
4. a bovine valve which is way to champex
3 days itinerary be without this program.

Relatively many ups and downs
Awesome track
You can also enable but then had to walk to balme

Encourage

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#8 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:59:01 PM(UTC)
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Hi Laila,

First of all congratulations!

I joined the majority-there is a significant difference between a continuous walk of course (even if it is a section of a track) and "paths" (with fixed bed Bank and all it entails). The continuous walking! Is he a boy ... Ah ... Boy – doesn't mean you should give up the walk of multi-day itinerary including accommodations in cabins and welcome-adds to experience. Accommodation in cabins with the remaining--including the common meal, in the morning, the Assembly and setting out the wedding accommodations – both part of the trail and we have no reason to skip this part.

Offered you several orbits need only choose! Also I don't think white issue 13 "in good shape" to go on the TMB itself! You just have to adjust the length of the sections, reducing the days (first European Trek I'd settle for 3 days, just to be safe), and it is important to: reduce weight! Heed mountain breaks! You have the whole day, the cabin. Do not select too ambitious sections (e.g. Fenetre de Arpete) or too long (sister-la contmin oariant high road on the first day would be too long for you, for example), the surging cable if necessary, choose and ariant easier if needed, etc., but don't stop transitions.

Note that the walk between Tre Le Champ-Lac Blanc-includes/reduction in fixed metal ladders to the rock. In my opinion, can greatly add to the experience of the child (although much depends on the child, then you need to be aware of). Also Lake (Lac Blanc) can be very enjoyable for him, including the possibility of snow/ice floats in water (depending on the season and luck).

Join yankale recommendations about the attractions in Chamonix Mont-Blanc. It's worth spending a couple of days in town at the end of the Trek. Indeed, the cable car to Aiguille du Midi and the rest away Italian side is the amazing trips there (which is one who spends two weeks every winter on the ski lifts).

If the kid (oops, sorry-kid) interested in rafting, kayaking, canyoning etc.-Chamonix is full of such attractions! From my experience with my nephew (similar age) more exciting attractions for foot-long daily trek constant (although they too) or by cable (impressive as they are, even though they love too). Again, depends of course on your own kid (and you) but I certainly divides days between to trek.

Enjoy a lot and good luck!!!

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#9 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:22:17 PM(UTC)
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Wow thank you so much for the comments! You never disappoint:-) I'm already starting to get excited:-)
We really prefer rafiog-lodging options to stay in and Trek out. In Israel we often travel several days without seeing tent cities, buildings, and people in between.
The stakes seemed to me (that's how we select land routes:-) Try to get a map and figure out the sections that you're talking about.
What the season to go.
What is the cable car that everyone's talking about?
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:45:41 PM(UTC)
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The cable car leaves from Chamonix Mont-Blanc or kormior. In a cable car to an altitude of approximately 3500 m and take

Another cable runs above the white Valley 45 minute drive one way.

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#11 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 9:31:29 AM(UTC)
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I have another question.
I see a sifuei strolling in August and snowy days have stormy.
Does this course has more rainy days av1, av2? c.
Is it better in terms of weather to go to the Pyrenees, a track in the area.
There are times when the chance of rain/snow and lower-

I know that weather in the mountains (adolomits tirkati last year with the one day in the pouring rain), but I wonder what the boy will face.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 10:35:02 AM(UTC)
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[Quote = niimsh; 590490] but I wonder what the boy will face.

Don't know your concerns may be held and instead but I wanted to ask if you're not protecting him a little too (afraid of inclines and the weather)?

In my opinion (and knowing the details boys), physical ability of active (i.e. that not sitting all day in front of the screen) will fall from that of an adult and may cost her.

Don't think a teenager's ability to withstand surges or not optimal weather is different from mine (and possibly exceed).

Unless you have good reason to believe that things are different over there I was planning an itinerary like that leave other adults (in approximately, is celebrating a bar mitzvah).

Jonathan

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#13 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:23:55 PM(UTC)
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Don't tell anyone, but my concern is going to be tough inclines to carry both equipment increases of 1000 meters. Which I guess would be more mental difficulty also about UPS and walking all day long.
But you're probably right, and I'm probably overprotective.
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:38:41 PM(UTC)
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Don't tell anyone, but my concern is going to be tough inclines to carry both equipment increases of 1000 meters. Which I guess would be more mental difficulty also about UPS and walking all day long.
But you're probably right, and I'm probably overprotective.
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:48:43 PM(UTC)
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In early September the weather is stable. In the mountains there are no confidence never

Ichmia rain gear that is required.









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#16 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:59:26 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = niimsh; 590494]. It will be difficult to carry both equipment increases of 1000 meters.

And why you should carry with you two? At the age of bar mitzvah boy can and should carry 6 kg. That's all he needs.

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#17 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 3:58:46 PM(UTC)
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Somehow we always see the Europeans with little bags we carry out.
Never to lose 10 kg per person. I'd love to hear how you stay with 6 kg
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 4:24:10 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = niimsh; 590498] we really somehow always see the Europeans with little bags we carry out.
Never to lose 10 kg per person. I'd love to hear how you stay with 6 kg

Or ... Now opened here a few subpages newsgroups:-) reactions

Trying to find the preparation of yankele towards the av1 is very chill, but it also has useful information.

6 ק״ג per person trip in Europe in it also.

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#19 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 4:51:27 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = niimsh; 590498] we really somehow always see the Europeans with little bags we carry out.
Never to lose 10 kg per person. I'd love to hear how you stay with 6 kg

If you take the road 1 kg chocolate + 1 kg and dates a backpack weighing 1.5 kg you can reach 10 kg.

Please go to here . Have fun...

[Quote = HarmonicWave; 590499]

Or ... Now opened here a few subpages newsgroups:-) reactions

Trying to find the preparation of yankele towards the av1 is very chill, but it also has useful information.

6 ק״ג per person trip in Europe in it also.

thanks.:)  

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#20 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 5:22:17 PM(UTC)
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Is recommended to use material in the Forum to learn about how to travel light. There's a lot of material (and quite entertaining background noise).

About the weight that the boy carry on a trip really cabins which should not be hard to find with a backpack is easy.

Of course he has no big backpack 40 l (some say) and heavy (up to 1.5 kg).

Now the secret is not to exaggerate what taken (probably if it is only in 4 days). To enter the "austere". Some warm clothes, raincoat, one bottle of water and entertainment equipment (small music player).

Jonathan

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