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klum  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, May 19, 2015 4:01:09 PM(UTC)
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, May 19, 2015 4:47:56 PM(UTC)
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Very simple: "no brains, no worries.

If people on both trips (not necessarily the organizers) were a little stop and think what can happen in such heat and if it is worth it and it suits them, then maybe something changes.

In practice, not stopping to think too much and do what they're told the organizers and then start problems especially in extreme cases.

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#3 Posted : Tuesday, May 19, 2015 10:06:24 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = TheHiker; 586445 Eli]

[Quote = klum; 586442]

Can someone explain me how does the mechanism of Dumbness

Very simple: "no brains, no worries.

If people on both trips (not necessarily the organizers) were a little stop and think what can happen in such heat and if it is worth it and it suits them, then maybe something changes.

In practice, not stopping to think too much and do what they're told the organizers and then start problems especially in extreme cases.

To me,

I'm a big believer in personal responsibility, but here I think most of the responsibility rests on the shoulders of the organizers.

Young travelers, Americans (some of which are certainly not experienced speaking days), group tour organized. Try to imagine me as one, and I'm not sure if I used the coupon "and refuses to join the trip.

However, organizers hired to the og stream in such weather? Don't know how many are travelling in a group? There is no collected?

This is the definition of negligence.

Also the snake I think "block" (by a sign warning) these days, given the popularity of the site as.

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#4 Posted : Tuesday, May 19, 2015 11:46:37 PM(UTC)
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I heard on the radio that blocked the snake at 11, but those travelers began to drop him 20 minutes earlier.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:21:53 AM(UTC)
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Only in November? This idiocy of the Rath that day should block this path since the beginning of the day.

I think every year there are one or two tourists from abroad who died in the desert on days like yesterday. The Masada site as needed

Fixed closing procedure the snake path on hot days.  And that groups of organizers.

I have the feeling that while year disaster?

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#6 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:08:03 AM(UTC)
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[Quote = HarmonicWave; 586461]

To me,

I'm a big believer in personal responsibility, but here I think most of the responsibility rests on the shoulders of the organizers.

Young travelers, Americans (some of which are certainly not experienced speaking days), group tour organized. Try to imagine me as one, and I'm not sure if I used the coupon "and refuses to join the trip.

However, organizers hired to the og stream in such weather? Don't know how many are travelling in a group? There is no collected?

This is the definition of negligence.

Also the snake I think "block" (by a sign warning) these days, given the popularity of the site as.

Example, you travel abroad (doesn't matter where) and considers the publication of a very interesting trip that you want to end guaranteed a special attraction and a once-in-a-lifetime experience. You join a trip out כ"קפיצה attraction out of a plane without a parachute and braking by waves and an umbrella for the brave only," so you're telling me no questions you exceeds the attraction after the trip?

For me it's the same thing, there's something called COMMON SENSE and you can drop all of the organizers despite they have a very big responsibility anyway.

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#7 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:20:48 AM(UTC)
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Your example is wrong. Nobody jumps out of an airplane without a parachute nor Dean fired him.

The responsibility in this case for the organizers only.

klum  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:48:17 AM(UTC)
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To me, the comparison does not match in my opinion.
According to the publication stream to Ogg, was within the graduate school they hosted her FGS is obviously by Israelis, their should be a talk about how being "Yehuda" provided such heat.
Also, you can't hide from taking responsibility under the guise of "natural disaster" amorphous wasn't talking about sudden flood, earthquake, or tsunami event occurred on the second day of the most respect everyone knows what major military units. train in these conditions by choice of the soldiers, but the command!
About the snake I don't know how the site is conducted today. (The last time was on Masada was my bar mitzvah, and I'm also not crazy about David broza), but clearly there are some responsible should block the snake a day earlier.
I was, last urban area approximately 2-3 miles was not fun!
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2015 8:48:59 AM(UTC)
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Your example is wrong. Nobody jumps out of an airplane without a parachute nor Dean fired him.

The responsibility in this case for the organizers only.

Obvious already know that strenuous hiking at 50 degrees increases the risk and significant consideration probably wrong to execute the two trips was a logistical and financial, because it's not canceled and that full responsibility of the organizers (and discussion) and still in my extreme example was that you can't trust the eyes closed on the organizers and do everything they say not too abroad (i.e. without knowing the area/activity) and need minimal discretion.

At least that's how I see it.

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#10 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:58:09 AM(UTC)
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To me you're not a kid anymore and you experience. A 19-year-old girl who has no idea what it's talking about and 45 degrees, it is impossible to watch.

Discretion when all the team dropping and foot. Just a girl with a strong personality and experience could go through other means.

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#11 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:25:43 AM(UTC)
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To me you're not a kid anymore and you experience. A 19-year-old girl who has no idea what it's talking about and 45 degrees, it is impossible to watch.

Discretion when all the team dropping and foot. Just a girl with a strong personality and experience could go through other means.

Disagree, but it's good to hear other opinions as well.

I think kids do these considerations alone every time when crossing the road because their parents, educational framework to teach them to do it.

If you are going during the school trip organized for example within the city and the teachers a UPS for any reason because of false judgment that means to do the same thing and follow them?

It's not about experience, but what they taught us and everyone's basic instinct.

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#12 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2015 4:21:08 PM(UTC)
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I heard about someone who goes for a walk in the Alps without previous experience in OFFTRAIL.

So you might ask him how the mechanism works.

If I'm not mistaken, it's traveling time travel in similar weather was Zin and having navigational content, lack of water and heat.

It's doing very well.

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#13 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:01:50 PM(UTC)
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If there's one thing that annoys me is alive,
It's like get that Bill, saying "it is forbidden to Board because of heat.
An experienced hiker who understands the problems of heat and even enjoy going.

I agree we should warn and advise,
But to block it.
All travel should be responsible to itself and any directory is responsible for his team.

Agree that it looks like the event was mtheor the negligence of the organizers and instructors.
As I wouldn't want to take that heat team,
But the more experienced groups can travel safely even in such weather.
(Although I agree it's very dependent on route and 11:00 a.m. on the day that I wouldn't get my nose out of the shadow).

I think one of the problems in this weather is the safety of the rescue force:
Even an experienced hiker who does everything right and taking care of himself and sometimes need help,
But the rescuers also weather risk.

neutrino  
#14 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 6:39:35 PM(UTC)
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Really sad. I think the responsibility on the shoulders of the Organizer.

About the traveler as he spoke did Sergei and Brown took enough water (+ extra) I think the only mistake he did is taking the wrong map.
Not going to subject the thousands OFFTRAIL
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