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הלך  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, November 4, 2015 2:30:39 PM(UTC)
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"Following the flood in Netafim-danger for black and recommendation for solving the problem.

Greetings

Following the flood, there is in my opinion a significant danger and crimes mplon problem (a few minutes east of black for split, following Israel's ein Netafim). The flood swept the ground beneath the waterfall, tall as two feet, and the concave section, no handles. Danger of falling increased to mind due to ה"מגלשה" section above.
Therefore recommend:
A. allow traffic for the moment only East until mplon and back-and I don't think there's no reason to close the East falls section (which is the most for, actually).
To install in place safety measures (please do this as soon as possible, a spokesman for great).
To your own discretion. "
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, November 4, 2015 2:55:15 PM(UTC)
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No, please don't.

What will happen is that shut down the track and fix anything. That's what I usually do for fear of legal advisors.

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#3 Posted : Wednesday, November 4, 2015 4:07:06 PM(UTC)
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Agree with cat.

About the height of the waterfall, it changes according to the water. Stream light the ground.

The last time I moved in this mplon (21.2.13) height above ground level was less than one meter.

See also discussion on Al-ג'ראם River. The differences in height can range up to 2 m.

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#4 Posted : Wednesday, November 4, 2015 5:48:06 PM(UTC)
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Cat and learned from you-many yankele and different issues, but I think you're wrong this time, and in all levels.

First, whether visiting the River since Sunday's flood? If so, are they safe to cross? If you haven't visited, do not want to learn the facts? Maybe to see pictures (dangerous spot got?

Secondly, assume I'm right and the move was: do we have – have not allowed-report? Whether to risk our people?

Third, if someone falls, how many generations you were closing the stream (stream Temple closed several years)?

Specifically, the Commission wrote to cm is not necessary to close the stream. Suggested solution and is transparent to stroll to most of the length (this is approximately 80% less). The Committee may not be taken, semester course under control.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, November 4, 2015 6:37:37 PM(UTC)
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In nature already has a message מ01/11/2015 Netafim River area closed to tours

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#6 Posted : Wednesday, November 4, 2015 8:08:27 PM(UTC)
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The height of the waterfall varies the phenomenon. And here's the River, so the discussion has become redundant.  While long time stream opens.

Something practical: impossible and should not put stakes wherever flood and becomes high. While long time drift cover.

The waterfall is not needed. Cuneiform is very expensive, easily can reach thousands of dollars set pegs in a waterfall.

When stream-Temple

To hook up the ladder in ein Netafim can go alternative route. Netafim River () is a part of the trail.

Thank you for the info, Giora

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#7 Posted : Thursday, November 5, 2015 10:31:23 AM(UTC)
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[Quote = יענקל'ה Saar; 589978]

And here's the River, so the discussion has become redundant.

In this first case, but the principle is still important.

Do in case of a problem with closing the security track (or call and ask to close the track)?

Is the responsibility of the traveler or tour of רט״ג, the first semester?

If it happened again, traveler damage whose fault this damage and who can claim?

Forbid legal advisors will determine where to travel?

Do you have to build safety fences everywhere?

These questions were also discussing thamson River and their answer is clear in my opinion – the traveler is responsible for better or for worse. Unfortunately the public atmosphere of blame and defensiveness behind legal advisors leads to the opposite direction.

Gone, I'm sure your intentions are good but runs are closed and not open again because it's the easiest operation.

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#8 Posted : Thursday, November 5, 2015 11:33:53 AM(UTC)
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[Quote = cat; 589982]

[Quote = יענקל'ה Saar; 589978]

And here's the River, so the discussion has become redundant.

In this first case, but the principle is still important.

One of the sources of information that I am testing during any trip planning, are the focus of nature and the nature and Parks Authority, because only there you can see up-to-date information about (relatively) changes in routes and therefore as far as I'm concerned, any information about changes in the tracks is welcome even if followed, or that route closed briefly/long because it can prevent "surprises" during the trip as inadequate planning Especially for inexperienced hikers.

For experienced hikers can handle these and other obstacles in real time, the decision is a travel/trip leader will eventually go the same route despite warnings, closings and a decision of going from no ochrses reserves on well-marked trails and should be done knowing what might be the risks, punishment, etc. but should be based on knowledge and information rather than hiding it.

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#9 Posted : Thursday, November 5, 2015 12:14:58 PM(UTC)
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I couldn't understand how a flood does damage to the narrow river crossing scale Netafim. Knowing exact nature focused when it comes to Israel.

What went on in the letter for exact course black. Nothing to refer to topographic Committee to build ladders. Beyond marking trails they have

Zero authority. Who is responsible for the implementation on the ground are Bert or anyone Jewish. For a cautionary tale whose focus news nature should check.

And regardless of a flood is coming today to give the quote Builder to install there. So regardless of daylight falls height install the name ladder.

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#10 Posted : Thursday, November 5, 2015 12:57:02 PM(UTC)
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Legal question-what responsibility the topographic Committee and/or the nature preservation society (is) on that Bill? Does this responsibility only by themselves that branded the smog check check if necessary?
They independent public association and landowners such as State or local authority to handle and maintain trails are marked and if they maintain, who gave them permission and what do they do?
Topographic Committee does not receive any NGO database.

There are even separate trails in the area of nature reserves and those in forests are declared of the JNF and the others, who are always in a local authority area.

Whether JNF eg is responsible for the care and maintenance of trails marked by topographic Committee rather than by the JNF forests domain-

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#11 Posted : Thursday, November 5, 2015 1:17:10 PM(UTC)
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It becomes an interesting discussion. Officially in topographic Committee should have representatives from the pertinent

Of any kind to paths passing through their territory. Hart, Keck, local authorities etc. In practice the Commission has become a small group

Within the society for the protection of nature. Other bodies like Rhett doesn't like it (an understatement) especially in the Israel National Trail (INT) is a sign

Registered trademark of the company and other partners. (More on this in a separate discussion may be extended if this is interesting).

Do not Commission any legal responsibility for the trails. As of today: If the initiative to mark a path coming from the Commission.

(See milky white) this body can turn to the Committee (or not) iitagiiso to check for. So there are all kinds

Of paths and markers. As to who will question the historical Committee to mark trails? The answer: none!

Ben Dvir, was very strong and got his approval (informal) that only the Committee highlighted trails. It lasted

For many years but time did, and things changed. The JNF mark trails in the Woods. The buildings on locations where it is marked

Their check. Through the Gospel (GOSPEL TRAIL) is marked in basalt (a Minister), Jerusalem in isolated places.

Still remaining markup is something else entirely. Jezreel valley trail in shithanf with the Committee and is in acceptable markups.

The bottom line: no Commission responsibility for anything. They fix/there/add markings only after we receive confirmation from the authority.

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#12 Posted : Thursday, November 5, 2015 1:20:01 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = יענקל'ה Saar; 589986]

Especially in the Israel National Trail (INT) is a registered trademark of the company and other partners. (More on this in a separate discussion may be extended if it is interesting.)

It is very interesting.

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#13 Posted : Thursday, November 5, 2015 1:43:03 PM(UTC)
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Interesting and disturbing. The Commission and indicates a space in a nature reserve and forest is declared and it is not clear who owns the land (they're not even going into this test)
Who is responsible in terms of insurance? The Committee does not and is not a company but a Committee appointed by the nature protection and sitting where all sorts of people from all kinds of places.
Who Inspector? Who visit? Where is the money? Who decides what?
Tomorrow we come back and call Bill anything anywhere if the land owner won't come and sue us over and done.

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#14 Posted : Thursday, November 5, 2015 2:30:54 PM(UTC)
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There are few places that do not have a. Always have a Regional Council, a local authority, City Hall and etc.

So they give permission. If you want to select a path you will have to get permission and authority to select.

The trip is the responsibility of the traveler.  Is this not a highlighted travel insurance certificate if you injure

Is covered by those who sign. Trust yourself and you're all set.

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#15 Posted : Thursday, November 5, 2015 2:44:44 PM(UTC)
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Start in the individual case. It seems that the mplon for the black on Oct 31:

[URL = http://www.siz.co.il/] UserPostedImage [/URL]

The height above ground is about 2.5 feet (at least), and as you can see in slide slope is disabled, that could be smooth from rain or dew.

The race, which is very unstable, the lone traveler (according to the trail) moving from East to West at some point between the flood when the photograph was in order and continue West.

What is your opinion? Is it from? Is he moving? And race? Do I have to report, or simply swallow it? What would you do?

BTW, I love to travel in space no less than anyone else. Knowing the facts, I think so and so wrote then-to be installed, the answer is 200 meters old section closed in the black for split the Western trail to the East. Thus keeping insecure people, and allow the trip and the matgaml stream.

What is happening in greater Netafim:

As I understand it, there is no need to close trails or foot traffic sections except for the short section above. Although there is erosion beneath the cracks, but I think it isn't minor justifies closing-I went and got off of them very easily. If I misunderstood, the main damage is to vehicle access route 12 over the waterfall-went along the way, I went, I'm not sure is authorized to evaluate vehicle's offenses.

To the authorities:

The Division of authority between the bodies, I don't know. I turned to profit Commission (also) safety issues. But sometimes, sometimes not, and sometimes made. It's clear to me that the authorities rush to decide before checking the facts, and sometimes selfish considerations, or. Was that we must avoid ldooach about dangers?
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#16 Posted : Thursday, November 5, 2015 5:19:22 PM(UTC)
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A picture is worth .... Complete discussion. Well done the reporting. Nature focused information was incorrect and misleading. Closed only

The path. On this occasion the focus of nature "closed" the Israel trail. For black travelers

Schoolchildren. Soon will be placed instead.

The offer: If you find a safety hazard, search and find the monitor (it's easy) in the region,

And he moves on. They know a before. Also in this case the contractor was

This morning instead. If you can't find, send OS Help.

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#17 Posted : Friday, November 6, 2015 7:04:46 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = go; 589991]

What is your opinion? Is it from? Is he moving? And race? Do I have to report, or simply swallow it? What would you do?

Very dangerous and attempt to Board can cause physical damage falling or slipping. Personally, if I was alone, so I was looking for a way to bypass the barrier and so cannot, repeat until the earlier split with Israel. If I then set according to ability and instead, we would have one ladder thieves throw rope to help others (me most has one especially emergency tours are relatively isolated area).

Anyway, if I encountered this unexpected obstacle on the path is marked, then I would contact the Inspector and update it (and there have been such cases).

List a bit out-of-date, but still relevant here have

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#18 Posted : Sunday, November 8, 2015 11:52:09 AM(UTC)
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To yankele
Local authority never give you permission, it does not matter, nor does it matter that needs the consent of the owner of the land or relevant bodies like רט"ג or JNF.
And on land as Israel Lands Administration-if you contact please never officially give this confirmation that you and refer you as f.
Regarding the responsibility for how much had claims. It's not black and white.
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#19 Posted : Sunday, November 8, 2015 12:30:44 PM(UTC)
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Certificates are given from whoever is in charge in the territory including local authorities. When transferred to Levi Eshkol Street

The Boardwalk next to SDE Dov in the ask and receive approval from the municipality of Tel Aviv when Mark Jesus trail in the Western Galilee

Bottom angry Council not ask the approval of the Council. If he was "kidnapped" in order to be able to select before visiting

Pope Benedict. (If you were asking for the approval of the Council explained that they were not getting it).

The issue of who can highlight the terrain is. A commercial company, organization or individual may select by law,

The approval conditions of the House on the ground. A legal issue by a company known as Israel is marking trails.

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#20 Posted : Monday, November 9, 2015 5:42:49 PM(UTC)
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Who asked permission from Tel Aviv and which requested approval? It's not building and usage requires permission from the local authority unless it has the floor. There is a rule that the municipality can act on and give approval for unless it involves the law or Bylaw.
It's that anger that no Council of lower Galilee sought confirmation that sounds political Council altogether.
Certainly it's legal-in the operation of land requires the approval of the owner of the land.
Using the sidewalk to walk does not require any approval. The mountains for does not change field goal, no abnormal usage or straying from the law unless it becomes an action that changes the status quo.
As the Israel shsimano not check costs unless used in a tested method called "stepping" like it straight through without having to look for another way so.
A lot of sections and points for are on private land in fortunately are unaware or don't care as long as they do not use the land for other use.
When I lived in my apartment's owner bought Haifa Department near the entrance to the settlement for real. The trail runs through the area, he knows about it and told me that as long as he doesn't build or planting trees or any other use doesn't care. If he decides to shut down the dirt path, no one can resist and will have to find another route for
The trail also leads to the Memorial and serve the Druze who go to cut down trees without a permit.

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