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#1 Posted : Sunday, November 15, 2015 12:39:44 PM(UTC)
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Hello friends,

I'd like to advice on my trip-and 12-year-old.

After the success of birthday trip 11: both. Just the two of us. Together for three days of Rimonim to Sde Nehemia

We decided that Mitzvah comes a special trip. Eilat mountains fluke area to explore.

A few questions:

Firstly, is it safe for mother and daughter to travel there? We should take advantage of the Hanukkah holiday. You must have for the area? (I prefer not to sleep outside when a soul to our hands)

Secondly, I started preparatory work with the Israel National Trail school and would love to travel, but ideas.

Thanks in advance!

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#2 Posted : Sunday, November 15, 2015 1:10:18 PM(UTC)
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The answer to both questions.

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#3 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2015 9:52:38 AM(UTC)
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I was just going 6 days on Israel. For me it's the most beautiful part and less complicated logistics sections (except the end of the first day)

Someday-well ilachn fingers. (Camping ground to accommodate water or carry water for two days).

Monday-well ilachn to Timna Park (you can sleep in Eliphas)

Tuesday-Timna Park to develop womb stream (you can deviate from the route to Be'er ora to/baths/b if it's too long can worry about springing from nimera mtmant and springing back the next morning and there it comes no more than 3-4 miles between mtmana to Be'er Ora on the road)

Wednesday-open womb River to Black Canyon night garage. (Camping ground to accommodate water for the night can also be reached by car you can have soft water equipment and can even get you licensed the field overnight and return the next morning)

Thursday-night garage Black Canyon to route 10. You can order a taxi to Eilat and you can sleep in the night.

Friday-checkpoint on Route 10 to the end point for Eilat field.

If the disturbing sleep outside from day one can sleep the rest of the days in the regulated areas. All the other conclusions accessible to ordinary vehicles.

Except the last one goes along the border with Egypt, I think security is in the safe zone in the country and there is no fear also mother to wander alone. Regarding the last part just needs to follow. Peaceful now but that could change.

However, apart from the security perspective that no concerns whatsoever can be other problems on the trip (weather, floods, tberbrot, injury, God forbid), and in this context to remember that no cellular reception the thing.

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#4 Posted : Tuesday, November 24, 2015 2:22:31 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for the info.

Finally we must shorten the trip five days.

The first two days you suggested--fingers-bar melody and beer from music to Timna Park liked.

But right now ... Doesn't seem possible since we lack today.

So in the meantime, he's planning to go out like a bus, to reach the morning Sunday to Timna Park and where to start.

Sunday-Timna Park until the womb River topographic map listed there overnight parking near crack. (It meant writing develop womb stream). Located 2 miles south of 2 Be'er ora, on the trail.

Overnight parking lot. in utero to Tamara Hill or up to overnight parking near Black Canyon. I'd like comments about possible.

Tuesday-parking lot/Mall-Lady Tamara to the accomadation 12.0 road. (Searched for Highway 10 on the map not found.)

Wed-accomadation near Highway 12 until Eilat

Frequently asked questions:

How to care for water etc we actually without car or friends nearby?

We need a day. Ode to suggestions. Thinking about the Valley disappeared. And then to sleep one night in the parking lot the other night and Tamara at Black Canyon, because I couldn't find any other accommodation between Black Mountain yehoram Mall. Another option that seems less is to go to Red Canyon Creek Road and return the same way.

I'd be very interested in comments,

GAL

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#5 Posted : Tuesday, November 24, 2015 5:59:44 PM(UTC)
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About water gdenor in the Emir's got fingers landfills (fees apply) throughout the region. 052-3351357

Black parking lot is the right choice. Parking is steep decrease of Yocheved next day should go.

Black parking lot can get soft and vehicle mount Jehoram.  Also parking can sometimes copy womb drive soft.

But there's a steep route segment where varies depending on rainfall, and floods.

Extra day: get a taxi, a ride from Eilat to mount yehoram garage. Away went to the top of Mount's observations of Solomon

The most beautiful in the country. Then off in seven (= River rapids), Netafim stream and continue. It is not full.

And beautiful. There are several waterfalls in the river downs stakes.

Highway 10 begins about 40 km north of Eilat at Rangers.

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#6 Posted : Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:59:00 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = 590107 waterboy;]

Thanks for the info.

Finally we must shorten the trip five days.

The first two days you suggested--fingers-bar melody and beer from music to Timna Park liked.

But right now ... Doesn't seem possible since we lack today.

So in the meantime, he's planning to go out like a bus, to reach the morning Sunday to Timna Park and where to start.

Sunday-Timna Park until the womb River topographic map listed there overnight parking near crack. (It meant writing develop womb stream). Located 2 miles south of 2 Be'er ora, on the trail.

Overnight parking lot. in utero to Tamara Hill or up to overnight parking near Black Canyon. I'd like comments about possible.

Tuesday-parking lot/Mall-Lady Tamara to the accomadation 12.0 road. (Searched for Highway 10 on the map not found.)

Wed-accomadation near Highway 12 until Eilat

Frequently asked questions:

How to care for water etc we actually without car or friends nearby?

We need a day. Ode to suggestions. Thinking about the Valley disappeared. And then to sleep one night in the parking lot the other night and Tamara at Black Canyon, because I couldn't find any other accommodation between Black Mountain yehoram Mall. Another option that seems less is to go to Red Canyon Creek Road and return the same way.

I'd be very interested in comments,

GAL

1. enable the bouncing bar for ilachn and start from there. On the day that freedom can pass to milachn because the constraint but today well ilachn rope. The view from the top of a ilachn and a ilachn (a decrease in the North) is a great challenge. This is a short day's walk so you can start it around 11-10 without worrying about entering dark etc.

2. Another option is to store in a garage for black night and take advantage of the extra day river trip Amir, Amir and Amram. Mirror here

Mount Amir (Give more should return a black car list so it was a full day outing though on the way back to give repeat Israel trail route that has already left him yesterday. is such a beautiful place worth to go there more than twice)

3. an option also offered jankel (Rapids) very nice.

4. does route 12. "Mixed up.

In general we don't sleep in campgrounds only strip-mining of parking so you stream the womb. However when you exit pass, Timna Park and nimera which set a mile on an asphalt road (mtmana access road) until you turn right into the stream. The night should be after a 2-3 mile walk. Anyway I think you're both going to the same thing.

6. today's Black Canyon to route 12 is hard on this track so adding him as an honorable way out of the parking lot jochebed.

7. I'm jealous.

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#7 Posted : Thursday, November 26, 2015 9:58:43 AM(UTC)
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First, most importantly: I think you guys are going to reap the fruits of this journey many years after completion.

A few suggestions:


-Bus drove him twice in recent times, and in the past-it's very very difficult to decipher on a successful trip. Since you're interested out on Saturday, would recommend to consider flight (flight cost is 86-89 Saturday per adult, the bus trip costs 82 chess). From Eilat you can go north, or make a move to Greece and to prevent (below)-personally I prefer the South went north.

We should shrink the orbit, especially if you start him overnight, but also in General. Recommend to consider concentrating on space between and. You can plan a trip is appropriate based on the night camps: yehoram, shachamon black womb, copy, or Scirpus. If the shrink will enable you to devote more time to avoid (I don't know what the appropriate rate), should I consider going with the pink and white.

Recommend to prepare non-activity, also in case of fatigue, exhaustion, long stay in campgrounds. View stars can fit in my opinion (the Moon shine Hanukkah late-you can print maps of heaven).

I think an entire mountain and seven worthy. Wasn't descending to Amram.

Between up to shachorth better I think Wang to travel in Israel and on Amir, Amir is beautiful. The difference in distance, although at the time required an hour to two hours. (As a rule, Israel trail route is not always the most matgaml ... I don't want to go to the topic irritating it, maybe next time.)

Consider activity of youth in Chanukah (bring earplugs). It may also be advantages (e.g. assistance in water, waste disposal, etc.).

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#8 Posted : Thursday, November 26, 2015 10:28:56 AM(UTC)
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3 Jews 4 opinions
Now probably made things messy.

There's right and wrong and yet one.

To start ... 12 year old girl ... on the first day of a 1,000-foot-tall aggregation ... ...

I do not know.

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#9 Posted : Thursday, November 26, 2015 11:18:07 AM(UTC)
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Join to top of 1000 m. Not suitable for a 12-year-old girl apparently no experience.

However, after appropriate training that might work.

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#10 Posted : Thursday, November 26, 2015 12:14:30 PM(UTC)
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Yuval: write-ב'זו-land: "writers reproduce louse ..."

Indeed, you're right: the Ascension from Eilat to yehoram is not easy, and it is appropriate to indicate. However, 12, who were handling the track. The skills system regarding leave this particular girl who knows her.

In any case, it is possible to combine: first day off the Causeway, take a cab at yehoram (and solve the problem of water for the next day), and from there North.

Benefits of walking (or yehoram) vs North North South movement:

If you start in Eilat (or yehoram) to end each point corresponding to the capabilities and desire, without entering into times, distances and constraints of writing.
Much more pleasing to travel when the Sun back, rather than facing the Sun.

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#11 Posted : Thursday, November 26, 2015 3:00:46 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = go; 590120]

Yuval: write-ב'זו-land: "writers reproduce louse ..."

Also it says "there is no sign that indicates a sister-in-law.

Sun's argument is strong argument back.

Especially at this time of the year when the Sun is at zenith.

We were just talking about it last week when we went to the Golan from hoshnier till knatir OM synagogue (most of the time with the Sun in his eyes.)

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#12 Posted : Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:32:20 PM(UTC)
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Thanks to all the precious tips!

How about a track like this-mostly because I prefer not to sleep in campgrounds that power to ... And want to reach campgrounds that can lead to food & drink (for a fee of course. So that we can take us as little as possible)

Go on Sunday morning. Cut to prevent towards evening. And begin the next day trip:

Sunday (after bouncing I have) get out of bar music to prevent sleep in the garage and ordered in.

Monday-Timna Valley to Be'er ora. This is because I try to avoid sleeping on the broken river. I don't know ... Maybe it's a mistake and I'd love to hear from you my husband ...

Tuesday-night garage Be'er ora Black Canyon. Do you think I overreacted. A long walk and hard My daughter went to 20 + miles of cruisers. But I don't want to do:-) padelat 4. I plan to pay for water and food placed in this garage don't have to take us. (Food, materials for preparing food. Nzinia take us.)

Wednesday-Black Mountain yehoram Mall (where I also plan setting water and food)

Thursday-Har yehoram query. (Walking from North to South that likes to end up on a beach in diving)

I'd love to hear comments

And again ... Thanks writers!

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#13 Posted : Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:58:00 PM(UTC)
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I test the walk from South to North.

If we start fast yehoram. (You can take a taxi to the mountain Jehoram). To the Black Canyon night parking

A day in Black Canyon of Israel go up and then go to list for the Red comes to the Valley and arrive at the end of the day to a defective road ssmologit, where we jumped to Be'er ora overnight.

Tuesday-Be'er ora to Timna Park. Short and nice day isn't it?

Wed-Timna Park to bar melody. Away back in overnight avoid bouncing or Eliphas.

What is your opinion?

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#14 Posted : Saturday, November 28, 2015 7:39:43 PM(UTC)
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This is a well ilachn bouncing in 4WD.

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#15 Posted : Monday, November 30, 2015 12:41:32 AM(UTC)
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A few questions:

1. on the second day I'm planning to get out of the parking lot on Black Canyon until ssmologit-station where ends the route disappears. Should I go for stream, connect to in the Israel National Trail (INT) and again to Blue Creek way, gone to the valley station ssmologit? Or stream allowed Amir, walk along a trail until Israel meets with the blue trail to the Creek way?

2. on the last day we go out to a bar ilachn are prevented. And here ends tiolino. When Rover 4 x 4 comes to ahazirino to avoid. Is there anything better. Maybe doing some circular route in the area deny? Where is the pink rectangle recommending here thread?

Thanks for writing,

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#16 Posted : Monday, November 30, 2015 9:29:41 AM(UTC)
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In my opinion, and even you want to share it, since this study:

There's no point (in my opinion) go up/down the upload music if not also track freedom area and/or yotvata, especially if not maximize Timna Valley (where the white and pink). I'd keep the sections to prevent another track, and devotes the rest of the time (if there is one).

Stream very rewarding-Emir is very colorful, in pomegranates atzbaonis country, with several passages that require using all four limbs (kids and if I admit it-like it very much).

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#17 Posted : Monday, November 30, 2015 12:51:10 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = waterboy; 590150]

A few questions:

1. on the second day I'm planning to get out of the parking lot on Black Canyon until ssmologit-station where ends the route disappears. Should I go for stream, connect to in the Israel National Trail (INT) and again to Blue Creek way, gone to the valley station ssmologit? Or stream allowed Amir, walk along a trail until Israel meets with the blue trail to the Creek way?

2. on the last day we go out to a bar ilachn are prevented. And here ends tiolino. When Rover 4 x 4 comes to ahazirino to avoid. Is there anything better. Maybe doing some circular route in the area deny? Where is the pink rectangle recommending here thread?

Thanks for writing,

GAL

Regarding question 2 where you park start? If the night parking near the Lake have a hard day with 2 challenging ascents. The first stage will prevent then from ilachn. Also avoid stage drop through diagonal stream requires effort.

On the other hand, there is no public transport in the park so a large part of those routes which would require administrative long walk (or catch a ride at Hanukkah would be pretty busy).

-Proposal for the first part of the passage just can't give up. To avoid platform and a reduction in the diagonal.

The view from the stage of distribution on the landscape in advance from ilachn that probably won't make the time the advice was mine.

And the diagonal is full of the signs of the geological phenomena and certainly worth it especially when you go with a girl.

This section ends at the park entrance that way even easier to add away.

It's relatively short four hours at most.

The problem that adding all sorts of pink and yellow malls it's kind of hard when you'd roll in the car park.

Yet nothing is impossible without exemption then 2 suggestions for extending the runway.

Once. Immediately at the beginning of the day instead of going on the route to turn towards an entire pages to visit Temple and the lmarglotam [?] to skip to the top to see the murals and views praonis.

From there you can join back without difficulty along the path. Not much extension and adds an hour on track.

-Option to continue along the path after exiting the Park and make the circular tour sasgon Hill and then repeat mines kilometer to SJ park entrance. It already gives a full day.

Anyway, check the tours that you can do in Timna Park

Timna Park tracks

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#18 Posted : Monday, November 30, 2015 2:57:44 PM(UTC)
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I can only reinforce the opinion of nothing more than a melody.

Too much hassle to go in 4WD. The view from the top of Mount prevents no less beautiful.

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#19 Posted : Friday, December 4, 2015 3:25:51 AM(UTC)
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Hello and thank you again for your help!

We are way to pop.

At this moment, the plan is (at this moment. There are some weaknesses):

We go from North to South because Saturday Mitzvah insists to finish the trip in Eilat. And insist on taking everything on your back without any discounts (except water and food every time we take one day. There is a limit ...)

1. Eliphas-Lake nehushtan

יום2-Lake nehushtan Be'er ora

Day 3-bouncing from Be'er ora to the seismographic station station at the beginning of the route-Valley night black Mall parking lot

יום4-Black-Canyon mountain yehoram (because I'm looking for ghosts to lower night parking and less exposed, perhaps overnight parking adjacent to Highway 12, I think we need bouncing fast yehoram to the f)

Day 5-night garage-651 Highway

And I've found vulnerabilities, if you can express your opinion. What other things do I need to get my attention.

Point 1-the second day is very short, but another option is to go to the parking lot, the next day go out night parking night garage womb Black Canyon-long route seems especially because I want to go to the garage through Nahal Amir.

Point 2-the fourth Black Mountain yehoram Mall is now our worst. And I don't want to sleep in the parking lot overnight on the mountain looking for altantiba and yehoram need was food and water.

Until here.

As usual, thanks for your answer seriously, I'd love to hear your opinion.

GAL

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#20 Posted : Friday, December 4, 2015 7:43:16 AM(UTC)
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The days long. I don't anticipate any difficulties. Make employment in case you

The early tracks. That cold nights and cold.

To get to the parking lot at the Creek (off Highway 12), five minutes ride.

Burial: call to Amir's got gdenor landfills in the area: gadnaor@zahav.net.il-3351357

Have a good time .

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