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#21 Posted : Monday, January 18, 2016 4:16:40 PM(UTC)
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You burst the door open. There has been long trails guide. Also included: trail Valley,

The Golan, water (North end) through the Gospel, Jerusalem, Be'er Sheva and Bill Ramot Menashe.

There are a few routes: Southern Ocean Marine (saltwater coast pest) and on the final point.

Jezreel trail in the making, the Negev Highlands, Judean desert, Hof hacarmel and others.

I love to travel and love the writing process, which is the same as repeating the trip itself, but I

Can't devote time and spend money on routes in concept. First thing that Bill.

The path will guide, אי"ה.

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#22 Posted : Tuesday, January 19, 2016 12:56:09 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = go; 590578] 1. at your request, yankele wrote it--in the post-Bischoff system is one of the three best friends that help promote the idea. Name other names only if they decide to confirm it. All three are blessed with a love for nature, desire to go on mrhabio, and I thank them very much for their support and assistance.

I understand that Ofer is the secret task force and hence releasing his name. Wait patiently until others finish their mission secret.

2. I don't know what would happen before, if any – shvil Israel shifts to the Judean desert, or is another long trail that connects the Red Sea to the dead sea. One thing is sure, if we want to bring the Kings, we must offer them the best.

There is quite a bit of innocence in his force Ofer went [36]. The reasons don't get enough foreign travelers are clear and have nothing to do with the route:

A. No, such marketing. Activities carried out to date.:. And despite lack of overseas tourists have marketing and whoever wants to take credit for that blessed.

2. the security situation is bad and it's not a Chinese State or other deserts. Security in Israel catastrophe! There is no reason to set your head in the sand. There is no way to convince foreign tourists that rockets.

Dare not come to Arad (but they're almost there) or that stabbings don't hang out in the desert if thieves or be schnias. But Chinese missiles can reach anywhere.

C. notable infrastructure people. However, Trail Angel 300 and about 100 places to stay are very cheap and you cannot underestimate.

Even in the other country, Israel far from grounds, optimizers The markers for him would bother to ask "why" and then how they would arrive at better solutions (we got the things displayed in due course).

Fthat you underestimate the work of nearly 30 years since the idea (1985) and the trail was inaugurated (1994) passed nearly 10 years it seems you was sufficient thought and questions: why and how but the mark?

I know very well who is responsible for the main route as it looks today and he worked on ten years ago. Believe me there is no precise and observant of it as it relates to the optimum route taking into account

All the constraints that existed at the time. The route is not a one-man job, but many people, including people on the ground. Example: the Council will have in Metula route moved north near the village.

4. did you mean yankele for rotate Harmon?

For a moment I thought you were asking about a path rotate Hermon  ... The way to implement my idea is very low so it's a shame to talk about it, I do it just for fun.

It's okay as variants on existing route change TMB significantly. Hart recruited them for the construction of water points in the Negev and as NATO and claims losses in distribution:

"Not a good route, not throughput". You know what you can do to stop the project of water points, the shimachtam laid, and unfortunately Rabbi

Of all people. I wrote you that I'm ready to pick up the gauntlet of one or another variant for Israel.

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#23 Posted : Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:46:24 PM(UTC)
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Has no scorn. If it receives a public apology. The comments were made in the way you need humor.

There is resentment that I think you have (?) pay homage to a man I know, appreciate and cherish. A remarkable person up as it tours the country

Know all the paths the country like the back of his hand, took the route of the trail until 10 years ago. Today he continues to contribute. Worried man

Nor do tourists from abroad to achieve for many years. The man took the previous Minister of tourism, hiking isase 3 days for the Minister

The former will promote. Then it turned out that the Minister is not doing anything as it relates to the promotion for overseas.

When you write there was first thought about why and how some people give that opinion and readers, including those that you need their support.

In order to make changes. The reasons why not enough tourists, and there are no numbers in the Forum, is not the route.

One tourist from abroad who don't know better streams of stream or River Elegy pteranthus or any other thing. But they come in numbers grow despite

Hosck security status, marketing and infrastructure that merit improvement.

People write who experienced life experience, and are ready to repeat it. You meet here and overseas tourists on the trail I talk to many who walked the path and hearing

Them what they think. Finland has a journalist who every year a group of several dozen to travel for I met them and they're thrilled. Germany tourist decided he wanted

Bringing groups here. There are two sites in Germany two or three sites in English, overseas travellers published books on their journey to us.

That didn't happen because currently not optimized, but exactly the opposite: a trail provides a unique accommodation.

If you have a desire to advance a bless thing and have fun because it's the main thing, enjoy. But to write things that mean no before the sign is.

If you really want to bring more tourists from abroad, as it is the shared aspiration of all of us, so help promote for abroad instead of searching for another route.

Variants such as the TMB.  Back to work on release 3 of the manual in English.

P.s.

You know me from the Forum. If you want to know how I got the pleasure to bring tourists to our ask for and h.

I tell you this: I don't know one person in Israel who invest so much money in order to bring private tourists from abroad to Israel.

Before you underestimate people's planning level are expensive and very experienced, or use the word "victory" not fit in.

The facts. My victory will be when the number of foreign tourists grow, double, triple and beyond. If you can make it happen God bless.

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#24 Posted : Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:21:08 PM(UTC)
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How do you plan to change the route of the trail and now I get an email from Germany celebrated on Israel and trail

The experience they have experienced, and want to come back here again.  This man does more for bringing tourists to us than the Ministry of tourism,

Responsible for the check for, and anyone who thinks about how to bring foreign tourists to Israel. Need to do and look for similar reasons.

Tourists. Some travellers and grow despite the non-Latvian route "to your liking.

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#25 Posted : Wednesday, January 20, 2016 9:37:07 AM(UTC)
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#26 Posted : Wednesday, January 20, 2016 10:27:41 AM(UTC)
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Giora. Can you upload the route on map

Yankele. Israel National Trail misses some key attractions in a way that has no explanation.
Masada and the dead sea has been mentioned and here can come in but security we take for example the route in the Ramon crater. The path goes on the petroleum completely uninspired. Could lose over the thirst to climb up into the Tower Creek farm through the cracks and eye farm. It has many advantages. Also in the water tower and eye to eye farm. The oil is also good for several times and track, and most importantly-without having to crack one meter of a pathway. ... The path goes to Ramon on the northern rim of makhtesh Ramon. That's fine. Why for the Ramon crater in the parking lot not having wells? Also water and feeding point. Then why not skilifts Ardon and from there South to conical hill before climbing to hararim Crest? Again, all based on existing trails and it's impossible to ignore the views of Mt. Ardon. With all due respect to the designers for the publishers, it is unclear why don't make evaluations and collect all the notes that have accumulated over the years and then improve the existing version and add optional side trails him like rotate or ring trail Arad Jerusalem-dead sea-ein bokek Arad. Constructive criticism never hurt.

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#27 Posted : Wednesday, January 20, 2016 11:39:17 AM(UTC)
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Your move: section 9 b too stubborn and ignoring reality. I agree that currently does not know Latvian

You can pass the path to the Judean desert area and Masada. Need to act wisely.

Jewish wars hurt all the time and I also mean to Jews.

Example of these days: request/demand to move for completion and to move it from a river Causeway No request.

Don't know what the story is there, but that's part of the wars. As I am familiar with the work of the trail Creek culvert timeouts.

All good here but we need to think about logistics. A snake zigzagging up thirsty and get back in the farm produced

Another logistic issue, surely tourists from abroad from the mitzpe Ramon Ben Gurion to this short and easy 2 MTB

Average, is the addition of an extra day.

Wells garage the route crossing the crater is very beautiful and rewarding. There is no problem to deviate the garage to garage wells wells.

The information is at all. Apache or side trips offer variants but change from 1000 km of this route is unlikely.

Rotate the empty East Jerusalem also. Nobody wants to go in Silwan and the eastern neighborhoods, although with

Israel and his wife. Foreign tourists don't go there.

As it relates to the tourism issue is clear: Israel trail name, wipe and holy places bring them here, no matter

Where the desert trail passes. Significant changes in experience resistance. If you want to get as much tourist brand

Competitor misses the target.

Offer: Judean and Massada and no crazy zgsogim who try to include all the streams should also make sense of. Giora Canal proposal.

An alternative route to the Judean desert. Find out If you can deliver it in a timely manner. Can I get more information from the issue and know All tics

And tricks. If this works, we can move on. Too bad I discovered the hard way what others know.

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#28 Posted : Wednesday, January 20, 2016 6:44:49 PM(UTC)
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The link that opens the page of israel hiking map, but without the overlay of the trail. You have your kml file or route gpx?
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#29 Posted : Wednesday, January 20, 2016 9:23:28 PM(UTC)
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Moved to a new thread

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#30 Posted : Wednesday, January 20, 2016 9:30:42 PM(UTC)
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Israel trails map with the proposed route of Giora

Please note that there are three GPX files. Red and pink and orange (North to South)

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#31 Posted : Wednesday, January 20, 2016 10:01:09 PM(UTC)
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#32 Posted : Wednesday, January 20, 2016 10:10:57 PM(UTC)
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Gone,

This reference is about a proposal to auction in the Israel National Trail (INT) barrier:

Too many zgsogim. The desire to go anywhere. This proposal falls into outright authority.

There is no probable cause to change the route from Eilat to fingers. The route name.

(There are already others caring for changes in this section regardless whether for good or not good.

Because they care for.)

Logistically the path should move in mitzpe Ramon.

Drop the oil axis is fine but there are better alternatives.

Do LOOP near Albans? Is there a reason?

I vote to move the path in the Judean desert, but not like the proposal.

If you want, I'm ready to find and consult and get an idea more likely course shvil Israel

In the Judean desert. As a major route to go with this proposal the Commission and all relevant factors.

I would like to mention again the Hart project in the Negev to water points. Any idea to move the route

The central place to cause a significant delay. This will reject all unquiet leaves from.

If you want to suggest a path I think is irrelevant.

It's not that my opinion counts for anyone, certainly not for my husband the authority on interest Israel trail.

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#33 Posted : Wednesday, January 20, 2016 11:49:57 PM(UTC)
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Mention only two things:
1. the right format I think of link. For example, allowing relatively efficient to do loop-Arad-aside and back to Israel (actually get to do this once in a while loop, just a few weeks ago I went from Arad to Masada with doll my 8th 5th haven't done the time back to Arad, but for adults it is a three days compiling).
2. link existing trails some childhood disease sufferers. I went from Jezreel part a few weeks ago, and already managed to change some things without good reason and made mistakes too. Nothing critical, but he's not done and ready. The problem of a Bill which is also not perfect, and limited resources.
Therefore, in the eyes of Israel and path to seeking is the best option.
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#34 Posted : Thursday, January 21, 2016 2:42:00 AM(UTC)
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The thing that bothers me most in this proposal is in the Israel National Trail (INT) should be accessible not only to chovalllm the most experienced hikers should be long,

Or need many capzzot from the field. The existing route also has quite a few shots of this kind, the new proposal.

Overwhelming much of travelling in the Israel National Trail (INT) are day visitors splitting their walking by ease of access to the top and end piece.

That's speaking held the for most Israelis and tourists travellers abroad to make the desert part cost a lot.

Too much money. I thought that opposes doomed the proposal as a major route for Israel.

In the North there are quite a few other trails along the Israel trail. Ramot Menashe Trail: great track and beautiful, much nicer.

A part of Binyamina. But Israel is not part of the path. Those who want to extend the walk and went with him to Israel.

95% from Israel who travels (foot) will the Ramot Menashe in a separate frame. So is Bill Carmel Beach through beautiful places

Trail Valley in the Israel National Trail (INT) related in beauty without any comparison between the level of Jordanian assault.

Everybody better reward than the route overlaps them of Israel.

Therefore: connections are fine, according to trail hikers. Under no circumstances as a major barrier.

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5. the quality of Bill not measured in the number.

A big mistake that is difficult to do. The most important metric, including at the national level is the number of visitors for Israel.

Who exactly if not typically designed for people?

As stated above: If you want a new trail including a new name. Variants for Israel, tracks from it.

As it relates to a major route in the Israel National Trail (INT) this is a bad idea.

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#35 Posted : Thursday, January 21, 2016 9:38:57 AM(UTC)
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The link that Amnon upload only contains three sections of the trail, shmkta 2 (blue) is basically empty, and remains a gap between the encounter with Israel near the freedom trail, and the encounter with a nozzle rbelt. The section is supposed to be entirely on Israel?

Anyway, here's a simple KML file that contains three existing sections (in my opinion, much easier to look at for that way)

Now I see you went to the section, and indeed entire path-Israel.

(Update: I've added the file section II according to Google Earth, the total length is 463.6 km but it really doesn't include the millennia went a map)

And a note about the idea for himself-was really interested for a new challenge, said separately from Israel. As such, I don't see a problem with zigsogim. In my opinion, no problem walking build and stabilize their Bill, and will publish it somewhere. Who wants to build from Israel, is happy about the option.

It seemed similar to SHR compared with JMT FILMS DISTRIBUTION. Both exist at the same area, but while the JMT FILMS DISTRIBUTION mtweir, and accessible, the SHR someone simply "component" and what he did, and occasionally come to crazy doing it (or sequentially). I'm not sure they "compete" on them, and if so, the existence of two trails off the total number.

About the complex politics of trail markers and water points. If it's actually some people do not want to do Israel, trail and don't want to go the route, making it all sorts of organizations change their minds about building water spots on it, then it is a problem. If following the publication of the desert, a few people on Israel decreased by 50% (because everyone moved to the desert) then it's really going to hurt this project. But I'm not sure the trail is so popular, so fast, for danger.

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#36 Posted : Thursday, January 21, 2016 10:23:25 AM(UTC)
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Thank you Amtrak the KML much better rested.

As you guessed, I completely agree with you.

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#37 Posted : Thursday, January 21, 2016 1:53:38 PM(UTC)
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Yagil or anyone who knows ...

I would like to receive tips on how to travel with a number of days. (Equipment, shcsh, carrying weight)
To attach the 9-year-old daughter for Ramot Menashe.
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#38 Posted : Thursday, January 21, 2016 4:46:07 PM(UTC)
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Enter the Forum of Manasseh trail and get all the help you need.

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#39 Posted : Thursday, January 21, 2016 7:10:08 PM(UTC)
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Thanks check (for some reason the page opened in your phone or maybe just have one page?)
But my question was more general necessarily specific trail
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#40 Posted : Thursday, January 21, 2016 7:23:54 PM(UTC)
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Please open a new discussion. This isn't the appropriate thread for this discussion.

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